Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I this case, I agree with Gunny. However, I would have had the entire platoon stand fast (mission need to be done would determine this) In the Army, everyone would be disciplined for the actions and flapping of the trap of PV2 Shitbird. Then I would expect that the others in the platoon would show PV2 Shitbird just how much they appreciated his actions later that evening. A team knows how to take care of Shitbirds.
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My favorite leadership tool is to augment them off to the worst assignment I can find.
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I had a similar situation happen when I was a Cpl deployed... They were all at ease while I passed out days orders, a new PFC fresh in country and mouthed off and before I could even react one of my senior LCpl's looked at me and said "Don't worry Cpl, we'll handle it.", later in the day I was told he tripped off a curb carrying water bottles, I didn't ask questions and the fresh PFC didn't speak out of line once over the next 7 months.
One thing I always did as a Cpl while we were deployed is I took almost all the shit jobs (if I had to assign one to the troops they already knew I had done it half a dozen times and I would never assign them a task I hadn't already done myself), I'd work 3x 12 hour shifts in a row if one of my guys was sick instead of retasking someone else (my shift, their shift, and my shift again). If guard duty needed handled, I handled it. I was always told I looked like the walking dead, and my troops were always well rested. I took the brunt of the shit, and everyone came home alive. I even took care of my SNCO's, CWO's, an O's the same way, its just how I was. Especially when deployed.
Moral of the story, you take care of your troops, and they will take care of you... If you did your job as an NCO correctly, and PFC Shitbag mouths off, your troops will correct the problem for you quick, fast, and in a hurry.
One thing I always did as a Cpl while we were deployed is I took almost all the shit jobs (if I had to assign one to the troops they already knew I had done it half a dozen times and I would never assign them a task I hadn't already done myself), I'd work 3x 12 hour shifts in a row if one of my guys was sick instead of retasking someone else (my shift, their shift, and my shift again). If guard duty needed handled, I handled it. I was always told I looked like the walking dead, and my troops were always well rested. I took the brunt of the shit, and everyone came home alive. I even took care of my SNCO's, CWO's, an O's the same way, its just how I was. Especially when deployed.
Moral of the story, you take care of your troops, and they will take care of you... If you did your job as an NCO correctly, and PFC Shitbag mouths off, your troops will correct the problem for you quick, fast, and in a hurry.
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Article 15.. at the least...basic training.. remove from duty... in a combat scenerio...kick his ass
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Believe your response was needed however have a sit down to review the matter and why such a non-military attitude. Also, E2 may not be adjusting to the military
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All I know is that as an E-3 POG in the Army if I had done that my ass would still be in the front-leaning rest position. I had my insubordinate moments, I think we all do, but nothing ever that blatant.
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