Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Now, who knows, I retired in 1988. That said I went by the rule of praise in public and criticize in private. But if this person mouthed off at quarters, USN name for formation, I would address him "I'll discuss it after quarters so belay that (stop that in Navy speak) now. I private this person would be given a brief chance to explain what the problem was and then it would be a one way, my way, conversation from then on. Minimum finger in the face ... MMCS(SW)(SS) USN Ret.
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In my days in,there were certain things you didn't do. You followed protocol and that was that. Seems this E2 thought he knew more than the E5, looking for favoritism can land you in a whole lot of trouble. Possibly a letter of reprimand or extra kp duty was sufficient for most.
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These are the guys that ask why in combat and get people killed, UCMJ immediately.
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smoke the squad make sure they know pvt shithead is the reason do it every day until his peers soove the problem
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Land on him with both feet. You CANNOT allow him to blatantly disrespect your authority that way, or the whole unit will start to unravel.
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Yes and if they still Refuse then have them stay and start with a Documented Counseling Statement and explain to them on why they are here and that they have a responsibility to do there assigned tasks and unless it a clear safety issue that's its not a negotiable matter
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I recall what one of my JROTC Instructors once said “to lead you must motivate, and for that you must communicate. Know the mission, weigh your options. For at the end the option you take is yours, the decision you make is yours, and whether you succeed or fail the consequences are yours. I spent almost 38 yrs in the service and I retired a SGM.
I now work security at a local high school. And have taken those words and adjusted them so they can be applied to kids. You can ask almost any student or teacher of Gabe’s Options Rule, which is: “You have a choice of 2 ; Option 1: Do as I’ve asked/directed and we’ll be fine, and earn respect; Option 2: Do not take Opt 1, you will be written up and referred to your Dean. Either way the Option choice is yours, the decision is yours and the consequences for your decision will be yours and yours alone.” 95% of the time they choose Opt 1.
I always segregate the problem student before giving them the Option, it shows them that you have some respect for them and are willing to work with them. After that if they persist, well it’s time for that “Coming to meet Jesus” meeting.
I now work security at a local high school. And have taken those words and adjusted them so they can be applied to kids. You can ask almost any student or teacher of Gabe’s Options Rule, which is: “You have a choice of 2 ; Option 1: Do as I’ve asked/directed and we’ll be fine, and earn respect; Option 2: Do not take Opt 1, you will be written up and referred to your Dean. Either way the Option choice is yours, the decision is yours and the consequences for your decision will be yours and yours alone.” 95% of the time they choose Opt 1.
I always segregate the problem student before giving them the Option, it shows them that you have some respect for them and are willing to work with them. After that if they persist, well it’s time for that “Coming to meet Jesus” meeting.
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Totally unacceptable behavior. the E2 must be disciplined at a level that will make sure he understands his position relative to his supervisors, and pays a price that makes a strong impression on him/her, but not so strongly (yet) that he is drummed out of the service.
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