Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Lt Col Paul Gacke
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Just as you said. Keep the Pvt and Team leader back and dismiss the rest. Then you explain the Pvt shitbrain how this works. If he continues to mouth off, you issue him a reprimand, follows by additional details plus the one he was given. When he is through you bring him in and sit his ass down and explain the Proper way to address his supervisor in the event he has a complaint or a problem. Depending on his response, you tell him to hit the hay.
Pvt shitbrain got through basic somehow so he understands what it is like being in the military. He isn’t in High School now and he isn’t going to get credit recovery, or make up seat time, or in-School suspension. Those days are through and I’m sorry as hell his high school and family didn’t prepare him for the job he voluntarily took.
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PO2 John Driskill
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Well son you are in a heap of trouble. Insubordination gets you an all expense trip to the brig.
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SSgt Daniel d'Errico
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Again, a subject of what to do with a sever dipshit in your unit? Another take would be to send Pvt/Amn Dipshit with a Letter of Reprimand to see the executive officer with a recomendation for non judical punishment. If the officer has seen enough paper work on pvt/airman dipshit, he must approve an Article 15 hearing. All the evidence of disrespect to superiors, not obeying orders must be presented. When sentence is passed, dipshit must go to jail. Then his time is served, show him the gate out under escort, usually with two very large security personnel. In generall, get rid of the bad trash if it won't adhere to the military way.
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SSG Grant Hansen
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The PV2 will be assigned that duty plus any extra duty that needs to be done such as scrubbing toilets, garbage cans and any other nasty duty I can imagine for the next week. They will perform them without complaint immediately following a counseling statement where I explain that failure to perform said tasks will result in referral for a company grade Article 15 for failure to obey orders.
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CPT Lawrence Cichelli
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you tell them is is a lawful order. If they refuse, you take it up with the PLT SGT or better yet 1SG. Failing that, well the CO for Article 15. Use the chain of command 1st. the 1SG has much more experience and can handle it without resorting to UCMJ. But if they insist on being dirtballs, oh well.
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SFC Scott Parkhurst
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I call them into my office and have a heart to heart....Someone who does this there is an obvious reason for this behavior. I also know that I could have made an example out of them by humiliation in front of other's and they might not do the same...but I feel this is not the answer. This could be a cry for help. But counseling is in order for sure.
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SPC Robert O brien
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Looks like Kp and no furloughs until he she shapes up.
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CPT Mike Sims
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Depends on the nature of the situation. Did the PV2 say something that was taken out of context by the leader - was it meant to be disrespectful or distasteful? Has the PV2 recently experienced an emotional trauma? Are there any issues of the PV2 being harassed, intimidated, bullied, or hazed by the squad or platoon when leaders are not around... or is a leader abusing the PV2? Does the PV2 have external problems going on that need to be factored into equation... alcohol abuse, drug use, family stress, marital problems, new baby on the way or already here, sleep disorders, adjusting to new medications that cause a chemical imbalance, hormonal imbalance, hypoglycemic issues, thyroid problems, blood pressure problems???

We are all human, and true leaders in the military learn how not to respond emotionally or erratically in response to a subordinate losing control of their emotions, composure and professional demeanor.

As leaders we are given the charge to lead, discipline, and train - but we are also given the responsibility to care for our troops and their families, and to investigate sitautions by asking the 5Ws and How? If we only react instead of being proactive, seeking answers by asking questions to investigate the real cause of the problem, and if we are too lazy to use all the support and resources we have at our disposal - then we are not being effective - because we are not being a solution - rather we are simply adding to the problem. I always believe by praising in public and admonishing in private. My ego was never bigger than my rank or position, and I could handle a PV2 losing themselves for a moment without it affecting me or my ability to maintain command and control.

So, find out what the real situation is, find out which leader within the CoC the PV2 is willing to speak with - to include the Chaplain, and work on what the real issues are. If the PV2 still needs to pay for it - then make it fair... in time this PV2 could one day be the next SMA or 4 star General ---- would we want that person to be the kind of leader I just spoke about as they rose through the ranks, or a hard-ass who could care less amd is abusive and slips through the ranks becoming a toxic leader like we have experienced in abundance over the past 20+ years in our ranks? Remember, we are not leading Privates, we are training Leaders! Give this PV2 a mission or area od responsibility (within an area they have an interest to excel) - assign them a mentor, and have them become accountable to more than just himself - or herself.

Lastly, counsel every 30 days on paper - setting attainable daily goals, weekly objectives, and monthly expectations - and find something to praise them for each day and at the end of each week - and if they come up short on something, take time to teach, coach and train them (if not you, then your subordinate leaders). Good luck!

P.S. - I was had a PV2 who was underage drinking and crashed his car off of a 7000 foot mountain... kid lost his brand new Mustang and almost lost his life. I could have discharged him... that's the easy thing to do. He was a good Soldier most of the time (a knucklehead other times - but that comes with age). After his rehab from surgeries and Article 15 punishment + 90 days confinement with extra duty (again after full physical rehab)... I didn't judge the PV2 harshly and I gave him room and time to bounce back. I encouraged my subordinate leaders to mentor, coach and train him. This kid ended up saving the lives of 2 kids from a burning apartment fire a year later, promoted to Sergeant 3 years later, performed flawlessly in combat, and then later was accepted into the Green to Gold program, where he went on to earn his degree and commission. Now he leads troops! Just something to think about as you consider your options.
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SGT Charles Tittl
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Follow the guidelines set forth in FM 22-102 following formation.
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PO1 Construction Mechanic
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In my day we would put that idiot in the mickey mouse gang, and if that didnot change his attitude then muster his ass out with a bad conduct discharge. And that would happen in just 2 days time.
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MSgt Ted C Hall
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Counseling, referral up the chain, and, unless we collectively decide they are worth redemption, wave as he or she goes out the gate. Not something we tolerated in the AF since we had no particular need for anyone requiring discipline imposed on them. Individuals needed to be self motivated, trustworthy, and reliable. I'd have taken the time to find out who let him graduate basic and let them know they failed that individual and the Air Force letting that get by them. When I trained and certified a tech and put them on standby to support critical navigational equipment after hours they were directly responsible for insuring aircraft got the guidance necessary to bring a billion dollar aircraft, millions of dollars worth of cargo, and possibly hundreds of Soldiers or Marines to a safe landing. Especially on those a dark and stormy nights.
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CWO4 Tim Hecht
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Here Private, let me help you to your feet.
Oh wait - those days are long past. Cut right to the chase; dismiss the others and place this private on report for disrespect and disobeying a lawful order. Why screw around?
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1SG Ted Mcdaris
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STAND FAST PVT. SQUAD DISMISSED !! COME WITH ME PVT ( TO THE WOODS)
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1SG Ted Mcdaris
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PRIVATE SMART ASS STAND FAST, PLATOON DISMISSED !!! PRIVATE COME WITH ME. (TO THE WOODS) !!!
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CSM Retired Csm/Soldier For Life
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Edited >1 y ago
You stop it right away, after a quick come to Jesus in front of all, you have the turd fallout with his Team Leader to your office. You finish up PLT business and have your Senior E-6 take over. Once at your office you speak to the Team Leader first about Private Turd's attitude and what you you expect and the assignment they were given. Give TM LDR a suspense on the work required and then if not completed by PVT Turd, plus a counseling to Turd and one for the TM LDR. If not completed then you push for extra duties and if that fails restrictions then Article 15.
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MCPO Mark Burns
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One the group is dismissed. I'd take the E-2 to the office for a counseling session.
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SGT Shane Serna
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Depends if the platoon leader is a snot bag. I wouldn’t care and have ripped into mine a few times if they are wrong. On the other hand that snot bag is in charge for a reason and 99% of the time I would agree with the snot bag.
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LTC Laura Wickett
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You dress him down on the spot, no explanations needed.
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Since I was in the Coast Guard..
E-2 Seaman Apprentice, would be given the options of doing what he/she was told, be restricted to the Ship or Base or finding themselves standing before the Captain or even worse, let the crew in y section know they are being restricted to the base or ship until Seaman Apprentice asswipe, does what is told or expected of him or she...

I was lucky enough to have that experience first hand and I was only a Seaman E-3 at the time..
I was in charge of a duty section and an ass clown refused to work, period...
My Ship was home ported in Guam where the genius decided to go AWOL...
Guam police found the idiots ID card in a planter at the International Airport..
they walked through the airport terminals and found him..
the police contacted the Coast Guard Port Security and he was returned to back to the ship..
the CO gave him 2 months in the Marine Brigg where he cried and promised to be a good little boy.
after 2 weeks of Marines giving him a what for, the CO had him released, felt sorry for him and thinking he would keep his word...
once released he still refused to work.. he lied..
we were going to go to the Philippines in a week and some started talking about having him done in once there..
cost of life, back then $5
I let him know what was going on, he asked how much have they raised..
I said $5, he laughed..
I said, that is what it would take and I donated the first $5..
he stopped laughing..
2 days later he was gone..
apparently he called mommy and daddy in Washington, told them his life was threatened and need to come home..
his parents came up with a BS excuse and he was flown out for an emergency in the family with the help of the Red Cross...
after we got back to Guam the moron was suppose to be there when we arrived, he went AWOL in Washington..
Recruiters went after him, picked him up and couldnt stand the guy..
they put him on the first plane headed towards Guam, it was Hawaii..
once in Hawaii he was met with 2 others and they placed him on a MAC flight to Guam..
once back the CO gave him a full 2 months in the Brigg and reduction in pay..
I had the luxury of picking him up at the Marine hotel hell..
in doing so I was given 14 rounds of Ammo, Colt 1911, set of handcuff's and baton.
when I picked him up in front of the Marines i gave him the option of going handcuffed or not..
he chose not to be handcuffed..
I said good but if you decide to take off I will shoot you...
the look on his face was priceless and the ones the Marines gave was with joy, they couldn't stand the guy either..
Also,i told him another collection has been taken up..
if you wont work or do as your told, you know whats coming...
I lied..
he straightened out his act, he did what he was told...
he had to, we were headed for Vietnam...
SSG(P) Squad Leader
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Tell that sorry E2 to stand by after formation with the senior E4. In the army, the E4 mafia can be a very powerful tool for leadership when they're on your side... lol. I personally don't like the paperwork route, but will bring that along if the smoke session doesn't resolve the issue. Bringing the E4 along does a number of things. 1: you show him hands on how to handle such issues for when he gets promoted. 2, its an inconvenience to him which will be fuel for the mafia to keep the underlings in line. 3. It covers your ass if the E2 tries to come after you legally. As far as the smoking goes, you gotta play that depending on MET-TC. you can get away with a lot more in some units than others. In my first unit I was counseled after making an E2 do 50 burpees because he was late for the 4th conescutive time to formation. my current unit doesn't care what you do for how long as long as the mission, health and well being of the soldier aren't put at risk.
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