Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Mopp level 4.. running back and fourth from the barracks from level 1 to 4.. bet E2 won’t say anything after that.
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You have not given us enough information to give a true answer:
Have you given this soldier this item to do, exclusively, for months and maybe they are just tired of that specific job, and would like to do a different one for a change of pace?
IS he brand new to the army? Or is he an E-2, because he just fucked up and the boss dropped a grade or two?
What was the job? and what was his MOS?
Has he recently had something happen like divorce, death int he family, etc and is maybe acting out because he doesn't know how to handle that emotion?
Have you given this soldier this item to do, exclusively, for months and maybe they are just tired of that specific job, and would like to do a different one for a change of pace?
IS he brand new to the army? Or is he an E-2, because he just fucked up and the boss dropped a grade or two?
What was the job? and what was his MOS?
Has he recently had something happen like divorce, death int he family, etc and is maybe acting out because he doesn't know how to handle that emotion?
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I would have his immediate supervisor stay and discuss your expectations and have his supervisor watch his private do the work. If there is a behavior modification program, have the supervisor escort him there for extra training. Now another corrective action is reduction of rank. and back it up with an Art 15.
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We had a recurrent problem with one guy... I'll call him "mouth". PV2 Mouth showed up and made dumbass comments to SPC Oldtimer. SPC Oldtimer attempted to redress the situation by telling PV2 Mouth he was fucked up. SSG Hobotheclown didn't like SPC Oldtimer. He didn't back up SPC Oldtimer. PV2 Mouth did whatever he fuckin wanted. SPC Oldtimer lost face. Later SPC Oldtimer is a gun team leader. He needs to get his team trained on the M240L, do room inspections on his 3 subordinates PFC Nerd PFC Bigcountry and PVT Newdick, and assossiates team leader tasks - getting people places on time with the right stuff etc. Now PFC Mouth has made rank +1. He is a bad influence on PVT Newguy. PVT Newguy shows up late to work, gets smoked. SSG Hobotheclown thinks SPC Oldtimer shouldn't be a team leader and constantly undermines him whenever catching PFC newdick running his mouth instead of working. PVT Newdick blows off whatever SPC Oldtimer says because he knows SSG Hobotheclown never backs him up. PVT Newdick does drugs because he thinks the Army is bullshit. PFC Nerd hates his life because he has to do the shit details that now ranked up SPC Mouth is shamming, so he transfers to Battalion Scout Platoon. SSG Hobotheclown gets out and does steroids and bangs hookers until his dick falls off. SPC Oldtimer and PFC Bigcountry are stuck with all the work. PFC Bigcountry decides not to re-up because he doesn't want to do all the shit details. SPC Oldtimer, sick of the fucking motor-pool, drops a Green-to-Gold packet because he realizes he's wasting his fucking time. Now SPCNerd goes for a deployment, gets jacked, becomes a CPL team leader. He wonders if he should stay in; he still needs to do BLC. He is outranked by time-in-grade SGT Mouth, who is still a piece of shit.
True story.
This is today's Army. DISCIPLINE THE SMART ASS KIDS. PT THEM UNTIL THEY CRY.
True story.
This is today's Army. DISCIPLINE THE SMART ASS KIDS. PT THEM UNTIL THEY CRY.
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We had a recurrent problem with one guy... I'll call him "mouth". PV2 Mouth showed up and made dumbass comments to SPC Oldtimer. SPC Oldtimer attempted to redress the situation by telling PV2 Mouth he was fucked up. SSG Hobotheclown didn't like SPC Oldtimer. He didn't back up SPC Oldtimer. PV2 Mouth lost face. Later SPC Oldtimer is a team leader. He needs to get his team trained on the M240L, do room inspections on his 3 subordinates PFC Nerd PFC Bigcountry and PVT Newdick. PFC Mouth has made rank +1. He is a bad influence on PVT Newguy. PVT Newguy shows up late to work, gets smoked. SSG Hobotheclown thinks SPC Oldtimer shouldn't be a team leader and constantly undermines him whenever catching PFC newdick running his mouth instead of working. PVT Newdick blows off whatever SPC Oldtimer says because he knows SSG Hobotheclown never backs him up. PVT Newdick does drugs because he realizes the Army is bullshit. PFC Nerd hates his life because he has to do the shit details that now ranked up SPC Mouth is shamming, so he transfers to Battalion Scout Platoon. SSG Hobotheclown gets out and does steroids and bangs hookers until his dick falls off. SPC Oldtimer and PFC Bigcountry are stuck with all the work. PFC Bigcountry decides not to re-up because he doesn't want to do all the shit details. SPC Oldtimer, sick of the fucking motor-pool, drops a Green-to-Gold packet because he realizes he's wasting his fucking time. Now SPCNerd goes for a deployment, gets jacked, becomes a CPL team leader. He wonders if he should stay in; he still needs to do BLC. He is outranked by time-in-grade SGT Mouth, who is still a piece of shit.
True story.
True story.
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not the right answer, but back in my day, some body was getting their ass beat in my office no witnesses.
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SFC Leo Augustin
believe it or not the ones i had to discipline with a ass beating turned out to be my best soldiers. they just needed a reminder as to who was in charge, after that they were good to go.
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As a 1SG, this happened to me....believe me- I’m the type who would normally go pretty ballistic on open disrespect. I’d embarrass him the way he just tried to embarrass me.
However, in this particular morning, I was having an outstanding day. Really. I was in an excellent mood and things were going well. I’m going over the detail roster and when I tell PVT X that he had mowing duty, he replied, “why don’t you do it?”
I smiled, laughed a little and I said, “SSG Y, let me know when private X has completed all latrines, hallways, trash receptacles and all mowing- front and back. Let me know your recommendation for ART 15- extra duty-demotion- or both in the counseling. If you need additional supervision for him while you write the counseling- pull from his team as you see fit. Everyone else will meet me at the gym at 9 for a dodgeball tournament. Any questions? Outstanding. Fallout.”
However, in this particular morning, I was having an outstanding day. Really. I was in an excellent mood and things were going well. I’m going over the detail roster and when I tell PVT X that he had mowing duty, he replied, “why don’t you do it?”
I smiled, laughed a little and I said, “SSG Y, let me know when private X has completed all latrines, hallways, trash receptacles and all mowing- front and back. Let me know your recommendation for ART 15- extra duty-demotion- or both in the counseling. If you need additional supervision for him while you write the counseling- pull from his team as you see fit. Everyone else will meet me at the gym at 9 for a dodgeball tournament. Any questions? Outstanding. Fallout.”
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I will echo most of the commenters here: Immediate action is needed! This Private (or Airman or Seaman, etc) and the rest of his bretheren know exactly their place or they would've never had passed bootcamp. They are fully aware of, not only how to follow orders, but to seek help from the Chaplain when their emotional health is in need of some relief.
The first thing I recommend is to dismiss his/her entire Platoon and keep his squad leader or your 2d in command and mop the floor with him/her. Discipline instills morale and good order.
The first thing I recommend is to dismiss his/her entire Platoon and keep his squad leader or your 2d in command and mop the floor with him/her. Discipline instills morale and good order.
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Fall out to the side, and I'll get to you in a few minutes. Take them to see the 1SG, and get this straight in a quick hurry. Counsel, RBI, restriction and probably extra duty that weekend.
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