Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Asschewing with ninja chop hand in his face. If that doesnt work take him to the treeline for proper asswhouping? Is that still an option these days?
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I'm a little late to this party, but, here's my thoughts: Very rarely does the standard slip with just one member of a platoon. That's all this is, is a slip in where the standard is thought to be at, so all we have to do is put the standard for the platoon back where it needs to be. And the very first place that the standard normally slips, is in the barracks. (You didn't state whether they were remarried, so I'd assume they live there). So, what I,d do is. make an on the spot correction of the PFC. I publicly put them on blast. Regardless of what's happening at home, you're a Sgt, you either command respect or get busted down to where you belong. So, blast them, in front of the whole platoon. Once the platoon is dismissed, grab his corporal, have his corporal talk to him to make sure there's nothing weird, ie, getting cheated on, death in the family, etc, and report that directly to you. Regardless of the answer, either take care of his personal situation if there is one, or just act like nothing happened at all. Then, it's Thursday now. Field day. So, at the field day formation, once the company is dismissed, put the platoon in formation, at attention. Explain that in no uncertain terms, the standard has slipped in your platoon, and you are going to correct it. And carry out Chinese field day. Every piece of furniture is pulled out of the room and scrubbed till it's spotless. The room is scrubbed, until it's spotless. Then you inspect. Generally, the Marines that I already know are pretty squared away get off with a slightly lighter inspection, but pvt shitbag and all of his turd friends get the full on inspection. Any rooms with a hit, will be reinspected the next day after work, after a formation for just the failure turds. And you keep reinspecting them until the rooms all pass flawlessly. This makes the standard for conduct within the platoon very clear for all to see. H onestky not sure how you made it to senior E5 and can't deal with an e2
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Total insubordination. Apparently, he didn't learn any military rules in Basic Training.
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I would find the nastiest painful work detail and put them on it, and I would have made an example of them and give the rest of the formation something to think about. Their is no explaining what is expected of them. They learned that in Boot Camp. Back then we didn't give people discharges to people who decided that was a way to get out of the service. They served their time in the brig. I was in the Corp from 59-63 We had a lot experienced NCO,s from WWII and Korea back Then Semper Fi.
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Article 15 seems warranted to me. I like Gunny's dress down too, but think an Article 15 might more tangibly amplify the point.
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IN 1964, I WOULD HAVE KNOCKED HIM DOWN AND EARNED HIS FEAR, IF NOT RESPECT. IN COMBAT IN THE LATER 60'S I SAW PEOPLE FOLLOW ORDERS BECAUSE THEY WERE TAUGHT A SARGENT WAS GOD. I PERSONALLY SAW LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF THAT. TODAY, BRING THEM UP ON CHARGES OR RIST LOST OF RESPECT BY THE OTHER MEN. BRIG TIME MAY NOT WORK BUT THEY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND. IN COMBAT KILL THEM BEFORE YOU AND OTHERS ARE KILLED. I WAS NOT A LIFER BUT SERVED IN NAM FROM JUNE 65 -APRIL 68. I LEFT BECAUSE I WAS TIRED OF KILLING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY.
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Dismiss the formation. PV2 gets into PT gear because obviously they need some energy worked out for at least 8 hours. Babysitting is our job!
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Find out why this is happening. Could be a leadership issue. Most want to do what is right but toxic command climates can create issues. Counsel and figure out what's going on. Could be a safety related issue. I witnessed leaders tell soldiers to operate tactical vehicles without proper training. Very bad
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