Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Me and that troop would immediately go to see the Unit Commander. This troop would very soon be an E-1, and, when he or she got out of the Stockade, I would drive them around to out process, after which I would drive them Off Base, maybe even to the Bus Station, and I would say a cordial goodbye. This E-2 has no place in the military, and for damn sure, not under MY supervision! I personally dealt with a very similar case, back in the early to mid '80s. But, that was a troubled E-4, with a bad attitude and no sense of responsibility. Oh, and this is EXACTLY what I did, but, unfortunately for him, I was NOT the first supervisor to try to work with him, and be disappointed.
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I've read the responses and I have nothing else to add to it. Everyone else has hit the necessary points. Yes, in my time, there would have been some time spent in the front-leaning rest position and a few other uncomfortable positions. But the other things everyone else is saying is spot-on in my opinion. Oh, and put it on paper as well.
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LTJG (Join to see) He needs a ass whooping. I would tell him to do it...that he doesn't have a choice...and that after he's been in for 10 years, makes rank and can make the decisions, he'll do as he is told...and if he does this again, he'll be written up.
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I would call in his whole squad and say congratulations gents. PFC Shithead has just volunteered your squad for two weeks of extra duty. Let the squad square this PFC away.
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Stick to your guys-calmly tell them again! If they don't respond use the pen, which is mightier than the sword! Then meet with Squad Leader to further define expectations!
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SFC Lawrence Washington
Well you know, Marines does things totally different than us Army guys. I've been working with them for the past 15 years.
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Invent time machine, then return to the time where your actions or words led to that PV2 feeling comfortable or confident enough to do that.
Granted, a Soldier could decide they didnt want to be in anymore, and could be deliberately seeking to begin the painful process of getting chaptered, but my experience is they chose someone other than an NCO that they respect to act out on.
Also, since you stated fresh PV2, it's possible that the Soldier has been failed by NCOs in the IET environment, so I would grant a significant emotional event. If that failed, memorialize it in writing with a plan to assist the Soldier overcome the deficiency.
Granted, a Soldier could decide they didnt want to be in anymore, and could be deliberately seeking to begin the painful process of getting chaptered, but my experience is they chose someone other than an NCO that they respect to act out on.
Also, since you stated fresh PV2, it's possible that the Soldier has been failed by NCOs in the IET environment, so I would grant a significant emotional event. If that failed, memorialize it in writing with a plan to assist the Soldier overcome the deficiency.
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Why is this question even being asked on this forum?
Seriously aren’t questions like this answered in or by NCO Leadership Schools, Senior NCO’s and Military Regulations? An NCO should know how to handle situations such as this before ever becoming an NCO.
Seriously aren’t questions like this answered in or by NCO Leadership Schools, Senior NCO’s and Military Regulations? An NCO should know how to handle situations such as this before ever becoming an NCO.
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When I first read the question in my email I thought, "a whole bunch of push ups". "Shove it"? We are in AR15 territory now.
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