Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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SPC Daniel Rankin
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Immediate counselling is the answer. Something that goes into their jacket for the whole time they are in that unit.
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SSG S. Wilkerson
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I just want to know wtf a senior E5 is. I'm pretty sure that is still a junior NCO
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SPC Daniel Rankin
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Just above the rank of corporal in rank,
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MAJ Bob Firth
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Is this the first incident? What has been the PV2s prior performance? Is this out of character? With these questions answered You can then frame an appropriate response. If the first offense, release the rest of the formation. Get a reliable witness to be in the area (sad that it has come down to this), put PV2 at parade rest and tell him to keep his c#^k holster shut. Tell him he was completely out of line and then future episodes will be dealt with quickly and appropriately. Review the performance standards for the task set out for him, then have him back brief you. When he has completed the task you will personally inspect to ensure it has been completed to your standards. After completing the initial task, as long as it takes, explain the PV2s position within the unit and that his conduct was unacceptable. Further instances should be addressed with progressive discipline maybe starting with corrective training which will take place on the PV2's own time.
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SGT Patti Kelly
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This was an issue for me whenever getting a new soldier into my platoon. They would see a 5’2” woman with freckles and red hair tell them to do something, not a NCO. They would be told to stand fast and reminded quickly that they in the wrong in strong and determined lanquage. That soldier would be my “shadow” for awhile and shown how to be a proper soldier until I felt the soldier was deserving to be an individual again. I was lucky enough to have a platoon of great soldiers to back me up in disciplining the soldier, not physically, but letting the soldier know he was out of line.
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CW3 Counterintelligence Technician
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Lots to unpack here as they say.

What’s the Command Climate like?
Is the PV2 a problem child?
What’s the PV2s TL like (motivates/think they are a DI/a turd)?

For the sake of argument, command climate is good, PV2 has no previous discipline issues, and TL is good to go.

Everyone but TL and PV2 go execute. You two stand fast. Along with the TL we need to find out what’s going on in PV2s life to cause the outburst. I’ve seen home issues explode at work (kid(s) on their nerves, spouse does nothing but blow money and loaf, etc). More often than not, good mentoring (and follow up) fixes the issue.

Absent more info I can’t move directly to high intensity corrective training.
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TSgt George Rodriguez
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Inform him in front of the others while still in formation that it was not a request but a command, then ask him is he willing to suffer the consequences of refusing a direct command. This notifies the formation that your not playing games and you will take necessary steps to rectify the situation legally. He now has the choice either obedience or suffer the consequences.
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1LT Production Management Specialist
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Calmly and deliberately take him to the side and choke slam him. If you're an officer you instruct the PSG to choke slam him.
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SFC Popz Beckwith
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The Thinking Position works every time.
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A1C Keith Whitmore
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Well, I really don't know. For one thing when I was in there wasn't even anyone would have the nerve to tell the DI to shove it. Kids now a days have no respect for anyone older. Hell, they even want to call you by your first name instead of your rank. You did that when I was in you would get one shit detail after the another. Razor blading the day room comes to mind, I had to do that myself once with a gang of other boots. From personal inspection, from then on my body hair was shaved and away from the collar. Anyways we all learned about that detail. You learn or the DI would think up something worse. And, there was always something worse that their evil mines had thought up. :) So, you send this dipshit on a detail that he will learn something, like maybe not to question authority. Sending him home isn't going to teach him squat. No one ever got sent home when I was in the service, that was never in the answers. You either made him a soldier to follow orders or if you did get booted out it was less than honorable service. And, that will follow you through life. How can you get a good job with that hanging over your head? Who would want to hire you? You'll get one low paying shit job after another just because you didn't want to follow orders while in the service? How asinine can you get? Huh?? And, how can you live without HONOR. Since I got out, honor has been on the top of the list for me to follow. The jarheads say once a Marine always a Marine. While that may be true, but here's my version of that. Once in the Military, ALWAYS in the military. That followed me so far and today I celebrate my 73 birthday, no longer that dumb ass boot that joined up when he was 18 and just out of high school. And, I was only in for 4 years, and my service followed me this far, and, I don't see it changing. Honor, respect, is where it's at in my life. The thing is if more people joined the military there would be less of the crap that is going on in the civilian sector, now. And, that is where honor & respect comes in. If more civilians had it, you think all the crap that is going on now. Would still be going on? These countries that have mandatory military service don't have the grief with the civilian population like we got. And, it has to start soon here. Or we're going to go down the tubes. Even though I am now a civilian, I don't feel that way. I always say that I'm ex-military, and if you don't like the way I think or talk better get use to it because that's the way I am. Oh, and I can still dead center at 100 yards with iron sights.
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TSgt Pernell Pelican
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Not only will he do it, I will give him extra duty on his weekends.
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