Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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To paraphrase1 of my NCO's from 3d Batt (Ranger) in the 80's, a great NCO who taught me a tremendous amount, he would be pushing Georgia down to Florida! In addition, since you say it was in formation, & therefore a public challenge to authoroty & discipline, I would sacrifice my Sat to spend time with him improving his military discipline. My 1SG in 3d Batt regularly held "School of the Soldier" on the weekend for those who had screwed up.
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In the old days(I enlisted in '71) it would be squad punishment-sometimes pretty hard stuff. Then if the guy had a blanket party....
I don't think that stuff happens now.
I don't think that stuff happens now.
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Put the mouth in front leaning rest. Explain to him that if you assign this to another sailor, the mouth will remain in this position until the other sailor returns. Do you want to rethink your response? You can also lock his heels, and explain to him that he can stand right here until the job is done, and do not send anyone else to do it, but that depends on how long you have to play that game.
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50 years ago this would not have happened in the Marine Corps. You were conditioned to do what you were told to do. You carried out the command or you would stand tall in front of your chain of command. I've never seen this happen.
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Start with a summarized article 15. Taking his time away for wasting everyone else's time might set his attitude straight, if that doesn't work you can always escalate it
The answer I'm supposed to give, by current rules and regulations, is that I would counsel the SM after formation, and continue counselings until either SM learns to do as they are told or SM is involuntarily discharged. My real answer is that Soldier would end up either strong or smart. Do as you are told immediately or beat your face 'till I am tired. Granted, I'm Combat Arms, disobeying orders in the motorpool is as serious as disobeying orders in a firefight. There is a reason, other than just time in service, why I am a Staff Sergeant and that Soldier is a Private.
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March the scitbird straight up to the 1SGT (a 1SGT with gonads) explain what disrespect entails, remind scitbird the he/she is in the Army, transcribe onto a singed counseling statement and set the pace for the next idiot act scitbird does!
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