Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
I believe you need to suck it up buttercup. Learning to work effectively with few hours sleep is something needed. Did you ever stay out late or up late and have to go to school the next morning? It is time to grow up and do what is needed. You did not sign up for girl scouts.
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Rita Perry-LaChance
SSgt Joseph Baptist I'm not a military wife, I'm a mom, daughter, granddaughter. If my son was whimpering about this I would tell him the same. You should know if this person was in Astan he may be working on little or no sleep.
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Rita Perry-LaChance
SSgt Joseph Baptist I also pulled many double shifts in ER while raising five children on my own. Two of those five served in the USMC. One Recon Marine. I may not be a member of a military service but I am a mom that raised two.
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Do PT from 0530 to 0700 then go get sleep from 0800 to 1430...then you will have approximately 6 to 7 hrs of sleep just in time for your 1600-0000 shift
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I'm willing to bet that the reason its mandatory now is because theres a lot of PT failures or PT is just not happening. Judging by the timeline you've provided there looks to be lots of time for sleep. Sounds like you need to develop a routine that will accommodate you better and Soldier on.
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I worked in hospitals for the first 5 years of my service. I get that the swing shifts are tough, but you have to schedule your time around them. One schedule that someone listed below seems like a good one and it fits in with some chow hall times as well. Typically you rotate shifts every few months as well.
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Accountability is a must, this is a no fail mission. Being told that you have to be in accountability formation is part of what the Army dose. Their is going to be times in your military career where you are running on 2-3 hours of sleep. In the Army you adapt to change. New leadership means new policy's. Just like staff duty that's a 24 hours shift. My old 1SG had to many people complaining about being there for 24 hours and driving home on no sleep. He made us stay in the barracks because of "safety reasons" because the problem with people not getting enough sleep and driving home. After about a month no one complained.
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I have to rephrase this now lol.
Is there a more effective plan for this current situation?
Is there a more effective plan for this current situation?
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My suggestion is to get a wash cloth, soak it in some warm soapy water and rub it in your snatch until you get all that sand outa there. Be a man. Show up for PT and do it when youre supposed to. It may save your life some day. Its a lot easier to stay in shape than it is to get back in shape.
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SSG Robert Webster
Dick lick, really? And I do not have to have been a combat engineer to know what they do and what they carry. You were Air Assault qualified? ROFLMAO!
And with your latest BS diatribe, I also know that you are a poser and a member of the Stolen Valor POS.
Please post your CV/resume in your profile so that myself and many others can have a good laugh at your BS stories.
Please tell me that you were in the 59th Engineer Company or the 536th Engineer Battalion, that way I can laugh some more. And I am positive that you did not deploy to Peru or Bolivia to fight the Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path)(especially since they were before your time in the service). But then again maybe you were assigned to Joint Task Force Bravo, but then again your story stinks, and I can easily check it out since one of my students was assigned to JTF Bravo for a significant number of years during that period; plus another good friend (and parent to another one of my students) was the US Customs representative to JTF Bravo during that same time period.
And with your latest BS diatribe, I also know that you are a poser and a member of the Stolen Valor POS.
Please post your CV/resume in your profile so that myself and many others can have a good laugh at your BS stories.
Please tell me that you were in the 59th Engineer Company or the 536th Engineer Battalion, that way I can laugh some more. And I am positive that you did not deploy to Peru or Bolivia to fight the Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path)(especially since they were before your time in the service). But then again maybe you were assigned to Joint Task Force Bravo, but then again your story stinks, and I can easily check it out since one of my students was assigned to JTF Bravo for a significant number of years during that period; plus another good friend (and parent to another one of my students) was the US Customs representative to JTF Bravo during that same time period.
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CPL Steve Freeman
Am I to ascertain correctly from your comments that someone, in their infinite wisdom, had the foresight and unprecedented intellect to simply write a law banning a world renown terrorist organization from operating outside of a given nation, and that prevented a particular terrorist group from operating OUTSIDE that stated nation's borders? Because if that's true I'm gona be REALLY pissed off that the United States congress neglected to pass such a law resulting in wars against terrorism for the past 18 years at the cost of 6,000 American service personnel, and trillions of dollars. I mean we coulda passed that law in November 1996 when the Muslim Brotherhood and Bin Laden crested al qaida and prevented innumerable terrorist attacks across the globe. Please, o wise one, I implore of you, tell me that's NOT what you're attempting to tell me.
On the other hand I could show my orders. They wouldnt say much about any US Govt attempts to interdict such nefarious actors in the region, but they would show I was deployed there.
On the other hand I could show my orders. They wouldnt say much about any US Govt attempts to interdict such nefarious actors in the region, but they would show I was deployed there.
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SSG Robert Webster
Really? Show some orders? LOL!
Considering that I know individuals that were actually present for some of the things that you describe with great exaggeration and then try to bluff and bluster about the US Congress and their failures, that is a great stretch. Put up or shut up. State the units that you were assigned to or attached to during your period of service for both Central/South America and since you mentioned it Bosnia and more specifically Somalia.
And remember this - I personally know individuals that were actually with the units that were in Somalia, Bosnia, and Central/South America during the time that you are claiming. And remember this, I also served during this period that you are describing in some of those places also and either served there or transited through them at that time.
And when did Bin Laden create al Qaeda? That statement alone shows how ignorant you are. And you served sometime during the 10 years between DS/DS and 9/11? Considering your stated rank you could not have been in for more than 8 years. And that leaves you to having been assigned to the 10th Mountain Division and the 193rd Infantry Brigade, and to fit with your initial story, you would have to have been assigned to the 10th Mtn first, then the 193rd, and then back to the 10th Mtn. Anything else would probably be BS.
And like I stated in my earlier comment, I have already caught you in one or more lies, want to try again, or are you going to try and deflect with BS again? I would advise that you bow out quietly.
Oh, the lies - small team fighting in a guerilla war in Central America fighting FARC Cubans, Sendero Luminoso, and Hondurans fighting in Guatemala. FARC was in Columbia with minor incursions in Panama along the border - And you were not with SF, Sendero Luminoso was in Peru with incursions into Bolivia - And we only deployed Aviation and SF assets to that particular shinding, and I since we know that you're not SF, we could guess that you were with Aviation at that time, but one little/big problem, I know a couple of the aircraft crew chiefs from when they served in the 82nd and the 193rd. And as far as the Honduran-Guatemalan border issues, it was either SF teams or platoon size infantry units in stationary camps during the time period that you are discussing, and since we know that you were not SF, I could check with my friends that were actually there; I could send you pictures. But then again instead of the Walter Mitty BS and you were actually there as a Combat Engineer working construction projects, I am sure that I could provide you with enough personal photographs from close friends that were there during that period that may have you in them.
And as far as your Congo story goes, well how could that be possible unless you were either SF or Légion étrangère (French Foreign Legion), I know a few people in 3rd Group from that time that could verify it for me, but why bother since we both know that you are not telling the truth (or you could have been Air Force, but then it would be even a bigger lie).
Considering that I know individuals that were actually present for some of the things that you describe with great exaggeration and then try to bluff and bluster about the US Congress and their failures, that is a great stretch. Put up or shut up. State the units that you were assigned to or attached to during your period of service for both Central/South America and since you mentioned it Bosnia and more specifically Somalia.
And remember this - I personally know individuals that were actually with the units that were in Somalia, Bosnia, and Central/South America during the time that you are claiming. And remember this, I also served during this period that you are describing in some of those places also and either served there or transited through them at that time.
And when did Bin Laden create al Qaeda? That statement alone shows how ignorant you are. And you served sometime during the 10 years between DS/DS and 9/11? Considering your stated rank you could not have been in for more than 8 years. And that leaves you to having been assigned to the 10th Mountain Division and the 193rd Infantry Brigade, and to fit with your initial story, you would have to have been assigned to the 10th Mtn first, then the 193rd, and then back to the 10th Mtn. Anything else would probably be BS.
And like I stated in my earlier comment, I have already caught you in one or more lies, want to try again, or are you going to try and deflect with BS again? I would advise that you bow out quietly.
Oh, the lies - small team fighting in a guerilla war in Central America fighting FARC Cubans, Sendero Luminoso, and Hondurans fighting in Guatemala. FARC was in Columbia with minor incursions in Panama along the border - And you were not with SF, Sendero Luminoso was in Peru with incursions into Bolivia - And we only deployed Aviation and SF assets to that particular shinding, and I since we know that you're not SF, we could guess that you were with Aviation at that time, but one little/big problem, I know a couple of the aircraft crew chiefs from when they served in the 82nd and the 193rd. And as far as the Honduran-Guatemalan border issues, it was either SF teams or platoon size infantry units in stationary camps during the time period that you are discussing, and since we know that you were not SF, I could check with my friends that were actually there; I could send you pictures. But then again instead of the Walter Mitty BS and you were actually there as a Combat Engineer working construction projects, I am sure that I could provide you with enough personal photographs from close friends that were there during that period that may have you in them.
And as far as your Congo story goes, well how could that be possible unless you were either SF or Légion étrangère (French Foreign Legion), I know a few people in 3rd Group from that time that could verify it for me, but why bother since we both know that you are not telling the truth (or you could have been Air Force, but then it would be even a bigger lie).
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CPL Steve Freeman
Man, at 1st I thought your parents must be so proud of your being accepted into the renowned Obama Institute of Omniscience, but then I realized they must be extraordinarily disappointed in you. That's too bad. I am pretty impressed that you know every guy in every squad of every platoon of every company of every battalion of every brigade in every country across 4 continents over the past 26 years. What bothers me the most though is the fact that you possess this virtually infinite knowledge, more than anyone else in the entire history of the United States Army over 26 years and still have only reached the rank of E-6. This, my friend, is truly an outrage. You should be a Command Sergeant Major at the very least, possibly colonel or general with your unparalleled knowledge of personnel. Hell, you should be up there running DIA or CIA, AIA, something. I'm going to contact my congressmen on your behalf. We have to get you a promotion. How many times must you be skipped over? This egregious miscarriage of justice must not be permitted to stand.
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