Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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Physical Training
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First, you are whining. Second, you're in the ARMY NOW. Many soldiers pull guard duty, night shift and so on, and have to be doing PT at zero bright thirty. Being Air Force, I worked the 0001 to 0700 shift, had PT at 0730 many times. If I had CQ for the week (1600-0700) and PT at 0730, no excuse, I put on my sneakers and ran PT. You buy yourself an alarm clock with the most annoying alarm and set it to 30 minutes before PT formation forms up and show up for PT. Do your best to stay in formation, hope you buddies haven't just come from clubbing and hope that you'll be helped along, instead of helping them along.
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You work a 1600-0000 shift, so obviously 1600 formation is out.
Going off-shift at 0000 and needing to be in formation at 0530 does leave you with very little sleep time.
Two questions that (might!) be helpful -- (1) can you get some rack time during the day? Even an hour or two will help a lot. (2) How long is the 1600-0000 shift going to last? If it is a (relatively) short term thing, you might need to just suck it up and lay on the coffee.
Going off-shift at 0000 and needing to be in formation at 0530 does leave you with very little sleep time.
Two questions that (might!) be helpful -- (1) can you get some rack time during the day? Even an hour or two will help a lot. (2) How long is the 1600-0000 shift going to last? If it is a (relatively) short term thing, you might need to just suck it up and lay on the coffee.
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Boo-Hoo get over it, your in the military and there's no room for cry babies, so put on your PT uniform and deal with it
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The simple answer is, “Go to PT.”
But to get beyond the simple answer, I need to ask two questions. First, is this a one-time occupancies? If not, why are you only getting 4 to 5 hours of sleep each night?
Personally, I retired in 2004 but I still run most mornings. I get to bed between 2300 and 0000 and have to get up at 0430 to run. I manage it at 58 years old.
But to get beyond the simple answer, I need to ask two questions. First, is this a one-time occupancies? If not, why are you only getting 4 to 5 hours of sleep each night?
Personally, I retired in 2004 but I still run most mornings. I get to bed between 2300 and 0000 and have to get up at 0430 to run. I manage it at 58 years old.
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Fair is not part of the issue. They signed a contract. If in area a combat area. Would you refuse a night patrol or day patrol because you carried out some earlier duties
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Young soldier, I would suggest that you devote some time to researching the Army regulations before making complaints to command.
FM 22-51 Appendix A-9: Shifts which allow each individual 6 to 8 hours of continuous sleep when feasible are preferred. Provide soldiers with a minimum of 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep in a 24 hour period (6-8 hours optimum). This greatly extends soldiers and crew endurance limits.
See how easy that was? You are entitled to time to get a minimum of 4 hours. It is your responsibility to utilize that time properly or live with the consequences. Complaining about things that comply with the refs because you don’t like them will only serve to cause you problems.
FM 22-51 Appendix A-9: Shifts which allow each individual 6 to 8 hours of continuous sleep when feasible are preferred. Provide soldiers with a minimum of 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep in a 24 hour period (6-8 hours optimum). This greatly extends soldiers and crew endurance limits.
See how easy that was? You are entitled to time to get a minimum of 4 hours. It is your responsibility to utilize that time properly or live with the consequences. Complaining about things that comply with the refs because you don’t like them will only serve to cause you problems.
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SPC Davis, PT is mandatory every morning. There is always a time we’re u might feel exhausted, or not getting enough sleep. But pt is something you should always want to do regardless. It’s essential to your success in the military. And beneficial during deployments. EMBRACE THE SUCK. Adapt and overcome.
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