Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SFC Charles Dennis
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Are you unable to manage your time effectively so that you can get the rest you feel you need? Was this a surprise PT session on a regular day off? If not, did you talk to your NCO?
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PO2 Joan Feledy
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I cannot really sympathize with the 5 hours of sleep time for most of my time in 5 hours would be amazing. On shore duty though, I usually got a pretty good sleep time and on shore duty I was never on swing shift, like on a deployment, which seemed to be consistently swinging shift. Anyhow, I would bring it up to your immediate swing chain, officer in charge, to ask that maybe an alternate pt time could be an hour prior to shift or immediately after shift. This should not be unreasonable. Now not sure what an Army deployment time schedule is like, but mine was very hectic and sleep was always desired. We, in engineering, did an 8-hr workday plus two 4 hour watches. ON the bad days your two watches did not coincide with the workday, which resulted in 4 hours of sleep and not always in succession. On the good days at least one of the watches was during the workday, allowing for longer downtime. Now this did not take into effect GQ's or other drills (usually held during normal working hours) so if one was night shift, those sucked even more. Needless to say, sleeping in the military is considered more of a benefit than a right. Its not always right or good, but you have to take the good and the bad.
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CPL Angelika Guilbe
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Thats part of the job, and theres reasoning, because when you have to pull 24hr duty or guard you have to be ready for anything especially while deployed
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PO2 Travis Branch
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I too worked that shift in the Navy. We had the same schedule for PT. Unfortunately that is part of the process and will probably not change. We made it work and it was hard but made us better and even showed up on our evals.
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SPC Sam Russell
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The only way to solve this is to suck it up. There will be times where you'll have no sleep and be expected to ruck up and move on. Four to five hours of sleep feels like a God send really. I don't know why this wasn't hammered home in basic training, but someone failed you.

The military isn't some cookie cutter job. It's exactly as it sounds, it's the military. I don't know why everyone thinks it's nothing but rainbows and blowjobs.
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MAJ John Moran
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For starters, what are the circumstances that are leading you to only get 4-5 hours of sleep? Assuming PT formation is at 0600, are you getting off duty at 2400-0100? if that is the case, then you need to ask your immediate supervisor to work with you on arranging alternate PT times. If you're coming in at midnight from the club, or a second job, or seeing your girl etc., then your lack of sleep is a you problem, and not an Army problem.

So, if your sleep cycle is being regularly interrupted due to late duty and early PT, you are well within your rights to request that your chain of command give you accommodations. if your sleep cycle is being interrupted by your personal off-duty choices, then no, be a grown-up and get yourself into bed at a decent hour.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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Easy.. do what they say and when it comes to push-up time, do some and then down for the count.. z-z-z-z-z.
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SGT Alan Simmons
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You go to PT. That's what you do. In basic training (1989) at the Benning School for Wayward Boys, we were told that by regulation, they only had to give us FOUR hours of sleep a night. And for the first two weeks, that's all we got!

I learned real quick, thanks to basic training, deployments, and duty rosters to sleep when I could. As I remember the wisdom of Drill Sergeant Boone's words, "in a combat zone, you don't get downtime to get comfy in your bunk!"

In the case of the OP, it sounds like she is caught between the unit's command and the first-line supervisor. It's a tough place to be in, for sure. Does your first sergeant have an "open door" policy for you to utilize? Does your first-line supervisor have an open door policy, also? There's nothing wrong (when a respectful tone is used) of asking your first-line supervisor for clarification. If the new company policy is written down, find a copy of that.
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MSG Senior Intelligence Sergeant
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At the end of the day, they need to put this in a policy or SOP. Once they do, use the open door and encourage them to choose reasonable times through providing a solution to the problem you, as i imagine others also see it. If they refuse to assist in making necessary changes, go to the next level of your command and explain your efforts. If that dont work, IG.
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LTC Ray Morris
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Have you ever considered selling shoes for a living? Something along those lines? Anything but being a soldier?
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