Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SPC Chris Ison
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I would take this to my first line supervisor. Either they allow you to PT at 1600, when you come on shift, or they allow you to PT separately, and as long as you make height and weft and pass the PT test I don't see how they would not allow this.

If your first line supervisor can not get anything done, I would then go to the next guy up, until i got to the 1SG directly, I would quite frankly, directly, and with respect explain my specific situation to my 1SG. I would explain that since you do not get off duty till midnight, and you need to eat, and shower, etc, that you don't have time to get the needed rest to do your PT AND your shift.

I would very directly explain how your lack of sleep, is putting patients at risk on your shift at the hospital. And I would ask why the 1600 formation could not be moved to say 1400 so you can PT and then shower before your shift.

If that did not work, I would talk to one of the doctor's at the hospital and see if they can intervene.

If that doesn't work you can try the IG.

It doesn't make any sense to have a pt formation for second shift the same as the pt formation for everyone else.

The best advice I can give you is this:

Bitching is complaining without an solution. Constructive Criticism is seeing a problem, recognizing the problem, and fixing the problem. It is much easier to get what you want, if you already have a workable solution when you present your problem. That way the morons in charge don't have to try and figure it out on their own. And it sounds like you have some rocks in your chain of command.
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CPO Albert Kennison
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Young man or woman, which ever is appropriate, all us vets have been through the same situation and have lived through it. Remember you are in the military, and if you can't hack the loss of sleep to carry out lawful orders, I suggest after your tour find another career in life. You was never promised a rose garden!
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SGT Rhett Moore
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Suck it up buttercup.
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CPT Keith Messinger
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Go to PT or leave the Army.
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1SG Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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An 8 hour shift means you have 14 hours to do what you want, assuming your PT session is 2 hours. It sounds like you need to work on your time management. At my hospital the ER medics work 12 hour shifts and conduct PT before their shifts.
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SSG Infantryman
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I feel that you do need your rest to function right, but at the same time its about trying to manage your time right...on deployment its usually worse depending your MOS
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PO1 David Kingsley
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the key words and tricky phrases goes that you've sworn to uphold the Constitution and obey the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Following Lawful Orders.
First off, You must be able to wake from a sound sleep, evaluate the situation and respond appropriately with very little sleep. It's Not a Management Style Question, but a Needs of the Military Question.
In many cases You won't have the option of being fully rested before you are required to exert yourself. Like All those Movies point out, the bad guys won't be waiting for you to get your beauty sleep, and many of the more successful attacks take place at night, when people are sleeping.
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A1C Bishop Medcalf
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PO1 George White
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LOL. youngster, that is something you should have worked out before you signed the contract of enlistment. That contract says you do what you told when you're told as long as the telling is lawful.

Yes, you are whining and yes I am being hard; but my hardness is a hardness that was won through many mistakes. You have a responsibility, fulfill it. If it grates on you, do not re-enlist. Until then, honor your contract so you can live with yourself.

I don't care what your rate or MO is in the military, your basic function is to fight when called upon, and fighting is much like being a starter on an NFL team, you have to be in the best shape you can be if you want to be effective, and to be anything less is to let down your teammates.

Get over yourself and go do your PT. If you're only getting 4- 5 hours of sleep, there is a problem. Is that problem scheduling or personal preference in staying up to watch a TV program, play with the baby's mother, or whatever.....when you put that shit in front of honoring your contract and doing your duty, you are going to lose.
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Sgt Abraham Marcos
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I can't believe that this is a problem. Shut up and do as you are told.
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Very poor leadership response in my opinion. You may be able to marshal your men while you are there but with that attitude I bet they would piss in your coffee at the first chance they get and that your men would be less likely to operate effectively in your absence. Leadership is good when the machine keeps working even if the chain of command is derelict.
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Sgt Abraham Marcos
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What ever. In the Corps, we are expected to go PT. Boo Hoo on your lack of sleep.
As a Gunny once said in his Liberty Brief..."You can hoot all night with the owls if you like...as long as you can soar with the eagles come morning." Gunny don't give a flying fuck about our lack of sleep.
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