Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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Megan Pioch
Sir - the BS about periods is over - now women can get a shot which stops a period for a YEAR!!! I WISH I was the woman who's amassed a year's worth of PMS.... Imagine all the RAGE I could build up - and then direct it at the enemy! Respectfully -
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4-5 hrs. Staying in shape was number 1 priority when I was in combat .Later it will help keep the depression away. Complain now live later.
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You ARE whining SNOWFLAKE! GET your SORRY ASS OUT OF THE RACK AND GET TO PT!!! Be VERY happy you are in the Army because, in the Marine Corps, someone would be throwing you and your rack out the window and then jumping on your back to get your sorry ass moving. You would then be doing PT until you drop and then for another hour more. What have you done to the US Army to ask such a pansy assed question? If you don't like it, get out and join the Girl Scouts! They have a special branch for you that you may be able to handle called the Brownies! Jesus' mother of Christ What kind of crybaby are you? Are there any Army Regulations covering this? HELL YES! It's called the UCMJ, Disobedience of a Direct Order!!!! Now gert UP or GET OUT!!!
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First, you never have to worry about a question you ask on here. We share experiences and outlooks to help each other and no question is wrong if it's important to you.
It sounds like they are testing your desire to soldier. You've been in long enough to know what you are doing of you wouldn't be a Spc
So, maybe they are seeing if you got the extra drive it takes to be an NCO. That or you made someone feel butt hurt. Either way, you soldier on.
These years are going to be full of sleepless nights and doing things that you feel are unfair again xx suck it up and soldiler on. Show them you can hang and they will learn you are the real deal. Personally xx o can't recall a day in USEUR where I got an honest 8 hour's of sleep. If it's really too much then you should talk to your section chief. But you've already done the hard part, don't let a little thing like this stop you from being the troop you signed up to be.
Yer pal,
It sounds like they are testing your desire to soldier. You've been in long enough to know what you are doing of you wouldn't be a Spc
So, maybe they are seeing if you got the extra drive it takes to be an NCO. That or you made someone feel butt hurt. Either way, you soldier on.
These years are going to be full of sleepless nights and doing things that you feel are unfair again xx suck it up and soldiler on. Show them you can hang and they will learn you are the real deal. Personally xx o can't recall a day in USEUR where I got an honest 8 hour's of sleep. If it's really too much then you should talk to your section chief. But you've already done the hard part, don't let a little thing like this stop you from being the troop you signed up to be.
Yer pal,
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Don't know what the rules are in the Army but when I served (62-68) the only folks who got to sleep in were those who had the 2400 t0 0400 watch and then only until 0700 or 0800. For everyone else reveille went at 0530. If you are not at the 0530 PT formation and you go on duty at 1600 when do you plan to do PT? I hope that you are not trying to say that your shift doesn't need PT. Perhaps the senior individual on this shift should come up with an alternative plan to present to your 1st Sergeant.
You have to remember the military is not civilian life and everything has a time and a purpose.
You have to remember the military is not civilian life and everything has a time and a purpose.
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We did PT 5 days a week Stateside, if you complained you’d be doing it weekends also. If you can’t follow those orders from your Senior NCO’s need a new line of work.
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Go to PT and give it your best or be prepared for the Art 15 for failure to follow instructions/ AWOL, No place in your Army contract was there a guarantee of 8 hours sleep at any point and I would bet my last $ that if its something you want to do you would be there with less sleep and smiling the whole time...
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You do realize that the regulation just says 4hrs of sleep is mandatory, it doesn’t say it has to be consecutive. I’ve come off staff duty to go to PT before I got released for the day.
The bottom line is that the military isn’t supposed to be for cream puffs or selfish douches, however, it’s getting softer to accommodate people that should probably just get out and make room for those that want to be warfighters. I have said this to my soldiers and I’ll say it to you: I’ll bring you a straw to help you suck it up. Now take a knee, drink some water and drive on. Those are the best words of advice that I was given when I was a private.
The bottom line is that the military isn’t supposed to be for cream puffs or selfish douches, however, it’s getting softer to accommodate people that should probably just get out and make room for those that want to be warfighters. I have said this to my soldiers and I’ll say it to you: I’ll bring you a straw to help you suck it up. Now take a knee, drink some water and drive on. Those are the best words of advice that I was given when I was a private.
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SFC Wendell Pruitt
Could you please point me to what regulation requires 4 hours of sleep, Never seen it in writing anywhere...
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SGT Jon Mullins
SFC Wendell Pruitt FM 6-22.5 CH4 covers the effects of sleep deprivation and looks to be more guidelines on how to operate under optimum conditions. You could try a different approach.
Step 1: resign yourself to your two hard times 0530 and 1600. Adjust your day to maximize your free time. Use this to collect information about how you would fix the issue while either proving a benefit to the cast majority of personnel or impacting the least amount of personnel in the unit. If you bring suggestions and/or solutions instead of problems, they tend to hear you out more.
You might be able to get shifts adjusted easier than changing PT time.
Step 1: resign yourself to your two hard times 0530 and 1600. Adjust your day to maximize your free time. Use this to collect information about how you would fix the issue while either proving a benefit to the cast majority of personnel or impacting the least amount of personnel in the unit. If you bring suggestions and/or solutions instead of problems, they tend to hear you out more.
You might be able to get shifts adjusted easier than changing PT time.
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SFC Wendell Pruitt
Ok got ya, I knew there were multiple places that raise the question of maintaining performance for the long term and that sleep needs are discussed for planning considerations by leadership, Just for the record I believe the people who are failing here are the NCO's above the Soldier who have failed to raise the point with the 1sg, I also see the 1sg as failing to consider the whole picture when addressing the issue He has identified within his unit.
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Suck it up.
or, walk into the Commanders office and punch him/her out. Jump up on the desk and take a tremendous dump.
Wait for the MPs.
You won't have to worry about lost sleep or those nasty old PT formations.
or, walk into the Commanders office and punch him/her out. Jump up on the desk and take a tremendous dump.
Wait for the MPs.
You won't have to worry about lost sleep or those nasty old PT formations.
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