Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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Used to walk out of the club in Hawaii at 4am, taxi to the barracks, switch to PTs, and go max an APFT at 0530. 4-5 hours a sleep was a blessing! And that was stateside. Wait until you're deployed and you're working 14-18 hour days 7 days a week and having extra duties as a SGT since you've got that (P) next to your rank. It will only get tougher.
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Only 5 showed up for PT? Your joking. Doesn't sound like any American military but rather a Russian outfit hanging out in the park with a bottle of vodka. Not the military that won the wars but certainly one that can never win a war on the ground
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4-5 hours of sleep is more then enough, I can bet my house that you have been out drinking with your buddies until closing, and then PT'ed at 0600. Suck it up buttercup, you get to go back home after PT and sleep some more.
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As a Retired Hospital Corpsman (green), I really don’t feel for you. I won’t give you old sea stories but you volunteered for a seven day work week. Out of my 21 years in the Navy, I spent 16 of those years with the Marines and did what the Marines wanted plus my Medical Duties.
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So Davis, I have worked shift so I am not unsympathetic as getting to bed before the sun rises really does help you sleep. I did get it resolved favorably. But before you do you need to get rid of this barracks lawyer mindset there is no regulations that will magically get you out of this. I promise that your Chain of command will tell you you have plenty of time to sleep after PT at 0700.
Now how to resolve this in your favor. I see you have a (P) after your name act like it. You need to go to your first line NCO and propose a solution. I would recommend you conduct PT at 1400 hours outside of the company area were 1SG can see you. 1SGs love seeing their guys do PT. And by you I mean you take charge and you take responsibility. Offer to conduct attendance and write a schedule for PT. This is good training for a future NCO and maybe a good point on an NCOER. You will be held to account for your shift missing PT and/or falling PT scores if this happens.
Now how to resolve this in your favor. I see you have a (P) after your name act like it. You need to go to your first line NCO and propose a solution. I would recommend you conduct PT at 1400 hours outside of the company area were 1SG can see you. 1SGs love seeing their guys do PT. And by you I mean you take charge and you take responsibility. Offer to conduct attendance and write a schedule for PT. This is good training for a future NCO and maybe a good point on an NCOER. You will be held to account for your shift missing PT and/or falling PT scores if this happens.
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When I was in Vietnam there were days I went with out sleep when I was able to get some sleep I slept in mud, in the rain, where ever I could if you have to go into battle you will not be asked how much sleep do you need to fight look at it this way you’re being trained to adapt.
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Welcome to being a responsible adult. You don't "sound like" you are whining, you "are whining". I remember months at sea, between watch standing , daily work, and special details like General Quarters Drill, or Underway Replenishment, that we went on much less sleep than that.
Time to grow up and act like an adult. And if you think this is bad, don't ever have children.
Time to grow up and act like an adult. And if you think this is bad, don't ever have children.
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