Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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You can say NO thank you, I'm tired, pounce, whinn, scream your lungs out, start throwing things around, maybe then your Command will give in, you can only try
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OMG, Really?????? You are in the ARMED FORCES, snowflake!!! Get your lazy, tires ass out of bed and do your PT like a - dare I say it - GROWNUP!!! If you are so sorry that you think you have to be catered to because you “only” got 4-5 hours of sleep, you need to get the f**k out!! The Armed Forces is NOT - I repeat NOT - a f—king country club. You wrote a check, payable to the audited States for any amount up to and including your life. If you can handle the heat get the hell out of the kitchen. Only REAL grownups need to be serving as soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines. We don’t want snowflakes pretending to be soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines, only to have to go on sick call because they got their feeling hurt. When the SHTF I personally expect REAL soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines to handle the situation. I do not want to hear a whiney-assed snowflake crying because someone is sending bullets in their direction. The enemy will eat you for breakfast, lunch, AND dinner! Grow a pair or get out.
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Why does you always need to do PT with the company? Telling me sections can’t organize PT on their own? Or does the command not trust their soldiers to be grown adults. Micromanagement commands and helicopter parent leaders are not effective
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You should definitely talk to your 1st Sgt and Commander. Too little sleep very much affects decision making. You could literally kill someone from being tired and simply not able to think. It is so wrong that people who work evening and night shifts are being required to do PT on very little to no sleep. There should be an alternative for those who are evening and night shift workers. If the 1st Sgt or Commander won’t work with you go to the Chief of Nursing then to the Hospital Commander then to the Inspector General. It may not make you popular with superior officers but the key is to stress you don’t want to kill or endanger patients and too little sleep does that. Also ask if the hospital shouldn’t look at deaths in the hospital and what shifts people were working and then go to the staff on duty with the patient when they died and find out how much sleep each member got!
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I was a Radio and Satcom Electronics Technician. (ET), in the Navy. My Chief told me that I am guaranteed only 1 hour of sleep. And I couldn't get to bed until all my equipment was UP.
Many times I worked 2 or 3 days without sleep. On a 3 month North Atlantic Cruise, I was up all day, all night and all day the next, 36 hours, slept for 12 and did it again.
Being singled out isn't always a curse. I took it in stride as a Lawful Order. And did Electronics for 35 years.
Many times I worked 2 or 3 days without sleep. On a 3 month North Atlantic Cruise, I was up all day, all night and all day the next, 36 hours, slept for 12 and did it again.
Being singled out isn't always a curse. I took it in stride as a Lawful Order. And did Electronics for 35 years.
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He has plenty of time to get his rest and be prepared to get his job done Hooah
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Your in the Army and you have to make the PT formation and do your part. You don’t always get 8 hours of sleep. Get up at five be there and then go back and get your rest and be prepared to do your job
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I'd like to know why only 5 people out of an entire company showed up? Y'all can't be working the 0000-0800 shift. Plus there have been many a nights of drinking til 0000-0200, hitting the rack and then being up at 0500 for morning PT. Morning formation was mandatory unless you were DEROSing, ETSing, PCSing or Sick Call
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STRONGLY REMIND THE INDIVIDUAL AT FAULT HOW HE WOULD LIKE HAVING A CONSISTENTLY SLEEP DEPRIVED MEDICAL TECHNICIAN WORK ON HIS CARE IF HE HAD AN HEART ATTACK OR AUTO ACCIDENT AT ODD HOURS!
ALSO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE A MEDICAL PERSON GOES OFF DUTY AT END OF SHIFT WHEN THERE IS SOME SORT OF AN EMERGENCY TREATMENTS BEING DONE!!
BEING A MEDICAL TECH IS ALREADY AN
"COMBAT JOB" , AND SOONER OR LATER,PROPER REST IS REQUIRED LIKE IT OR NOT!!
ALSO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE A MEDICAL PERSON GOES OFF DUTY AT END OF SHIFT WHEN THERE IS SOME SORT OF AN EMERGENCY TREATMENTS BEING DONE!!
BEING A MEDICAL TECH IS ALREADY AN
"COMBAT JOB" , AND SOONER OR LATER,PROPER REST IS REQUIRED LIKE IT OR NOT!!
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Used to walk out of the club in Hawaii at 4am, taxi to the barracks, switch to PTs, and go max an APFT at 0530. 4-5 hours a sleep was a blessing! And that was stateside. Wait until you're deployed and you're working 14-18 hour days 7 days a week and having extra duties as a SGT since you've got that (P) next to your rank. It will only get tougher.
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Only 5 showed up for PT? Your joking. Doesn't sound like any American military but rather a Russian outfit hanging out in the park with a bottle of vodka. Not the military that won the wars but certainly one that can never win a war on the ground
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4-5 hours of sleep is more then enough, I can bet my house that you have been out drinking with your buddies until closing, and then PT'ed at 0600. Suck it up buttercup, you get to go back home after PT and sleep some more.
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As a Retired Hospital Corpsman (green), I really don’t feel for you. I won’t give you old sea stories but you volunteered for a seven day work week. Out of my 21 years in the Navy, I spent 16 of those years with the Marines and did what the Marines wanted plus my Medical Duties.
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So Davis, I have worked shift so I am not unsympathetic as getting to bed before the sun rises really does help you sleep. I did get it resolved favorably. But before you do you need to get rid of this barracks lawyer mindset there is no regulations that will magically get you out of this. I promise that your Chain of command will tell you you have plenty of time to sleep after PT at 0700.
Now how to resolve this in your favor. I see you have a (P) after your name act like it. You need to go to your first line NCO and propose a solution. I would recommend you conduct PT at 1400 hours outside of the company area were 1SG can see you. 1SGs love seeing their guys do PT. And by you I mean you take charge and you take responsibility. Offer to conduct attendance and write a schedule for PT. This is good training for a future NCO and maybe a good point on an NCOER. You will be held to account for your shift missing PT and/or falling PT scores if this happens.
Now how to resolve this in your favor. I see you have a (P) after your name act like it. You need to go to your first line NCO and propose a solution. I would recommend you conduct PT at 1400 hours outside of the company area were 1SG can see you. 1SGs love seeing their guys do PT. And by you I mean you take charge and you take responsibility. Offer to conduct attendance and write a schedule for PT. This is good training for a future NCO and maybe a good point on an NCOER. You will be held to account for your shift missing PT and/or falling PT scores if this happens.
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When I was in Vietnam there were days I went with out sleep when I was able to get some sleep I slept in mud, in the rain, where ever I could if you have to go into battle you will not be asked how much sleep do you need to fight look at it this way you’re being trained to adapt.
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Welcome to being a responsible adult. You don't "sound like" you are whining, you "are whining". I remember months at sea, between watch standing , daily work, and special details like General Quarters Drill, or Underway Replenishment, that we went on much less sleep than that.
Time to grow up and act like an adult. And if you think this is bad, don't ever have children.
Time to grow up and act like an adult. And if you think this is bad, don't ever have children.
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