Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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MSG Michael Gay
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Ask about an alternative time or location. You should also realize that being able to perform on limited or intermittent sleep is what being a soldier is all about.
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SGT Gary Tob
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Oh my God grow up!!! Be a soldier not a snow flake
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SPC Susan Newsome
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I wish I could say I read this without my mouth wide open. Unfortunately, when you enlisted, someone may have hinted that it would be an easy paycheck, you can't get fired, or that you would have choices. Here's the thing- when I signed up after 911, it was clear that when I signed on those millions of lines, I gave up my freedoms to fight for the freedom of others- that includes giving up sleep so others may. If you are still in basic, I may suggest a change of careers back into the civilian sector- there's no promise it will get any easier from here. If lack of sleep is taking you out, perhaps this is not the fight for you. Just my input
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A1C Michael Beal
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Embrace the suck, go to PT and adjust your sleep schedule. End of discussion.
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PO1 Bob Davis
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I am in fear for my country, if these wimps can’t do their job on 4-5 hrs sleep! How in the world did they make it through Boot Camp?
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CW3 Josiah John
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As someone who has worked shift work while in the Army, a possible solution (and this would be something to push up through your section sergeant/platoon sergeant to the command) would be to have section-level PT rather than company level PT. I worked rotating shift (5 day shifts with weekend followed by 5 midnight shifts with weekend, switching back and forth for several years). We either did PT before the shift (for the day shifts) or immediately after the shift (for the midnight shifts) as a section.
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MCPO Mark Burns
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Go to bed early.
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SGT Deborah Jones-deleon
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Omg you sound like such a pussy. You shouldn't be in the military. Get the hell out you wimp
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SGT William Tate
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Go to your 0530 PT session because you’re a Soldier first and being physically fit is mandatory! 4 to 5 hours is enough plus you can go back and sleep a few more hours afterwards. I don’t see the issue here other than you don’t want to PT. By all means bring up the issue but don’t be surprised if you’re told to go pound sand. Embrace the suck!! You signed the contract!
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MAJ Jeff Houston
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When you deploy you'll be fortunate to get 5-6 hours of sleep a night. I recommend that you discipline yourself to get there on time. We've all done it. You can too.
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CPT Tommy Curtis
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You effing go and you are whining.
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CPL Joseph Bennett
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as far as army regs your screwed no where does it state you need more then 4 hours sleep with only 2 hours being consecutive
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CPL Joseph Bennett
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suck it up and do PT
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SGT Team Leader
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Alright, since you’ve primarily gotten flack I’ll tell you how to approach it.

You’ve got an NCO support channel, use it! If that fails use the open door policy.

Just be prepared to offer a solution, not a gripe. An example of a solution would be to have whoever is senior on your shift run a PT session either two hours prior to your shift or an hour after.

The leadership should be LEADING and that takes putting the mission first. The mission, in your shifts case, requires soldiers who can perform the mission safely for the patients they are caring for. Interrupted sleep patterns are not what is best.

At the same time PT during the heat of the day is not the safest time to be running, nor is the middle of the night. That may be where the 1SG is coming from. Our PT formations were at 0600 for the 0630 start time, 0530 seems really early.
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SSgt Raymond Sirois
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You go to PT. End of discussion.

Christ, what has our military turned into?
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SFC Thomas Cook
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The replies to this post made my head hurt. All i see is lazy leadership. I'm glad im 11 years removed from this kind of thoughtlessness. Do what you gotta do. The civilian sector is going to pay you double and you'll probably be at the same hospital on a day shift.
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SGT Ed Walden
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You get to PT formation!
When I was AD, we were told that we would always get a minimum 5hrs of sleep a day.
No one, and I mean no one promised they would be 5 consecutive hours.
Tou say that you don't want to sound like you're whining.
That is in fact what you are doing.
Do your job, which as lower/junior enlisted is: Be where you're told to be, when you're told to be there and in the correct uniform.
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SGT Horizontal Construction Engineer
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The military only has to allow you 4hrs of sleep and it doesnt have to be cumulative
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SPC Eileen Keller
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Edited 4 y ago
I also worked "odd" shifts when I was active duty for most of my time in the Army. Performing on less sleep, or in inadequate conditions or with inadequate supplies, was considered part of our training. I would respectfully go back to your platoon sergeant and present your situation again, making sure you are not whining. Ask permission to speak to the First Sergeant. You don't mention how many days a week it is, etc. If it's 5 days a week for the foreseeable future, you will need to do something to get more sleep. I believe most First Sergeants would help you find a solution if your platoon sergeant is unable to do so.
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CW3 Senior Instructor Pilot
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Here's a really blunt answer... your 1sg is an idiot and your PL and PSG are spineless. Yeah yeah "don't talk about leadership blah blah blah.". Yes, you can manage your time and sleep up to 6 hours (wow) mid morning to afternoon. Sure. Because that's super sustainable when it becomes your job to treat people and using the best judgment to do so. The "suck it up" answers here are but he same clown mentality that gives you the toxic leadership you're facing now, in the future. Can you do something about it? Not much. Can you get in another field that takes rest cycles a little more serious? Absolutely. I hope your field isn't crying about retention with that kind of management. Erratic schedules put the onus of physical fitness on the individual. Can you pass a pt test? Height/weight? Great! No? Then personal management isn't your thing and you get processed out. Sorry about your luck miss, I hope you look forward to a reclass instead of just saying "f**k it I'm out". The grown adult ego babies managing you should be ashamed.
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