I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?

How do you solve it? You suck it up and do PT. I've had plenty of no sleep PT sessions when I was in. I mean literally out of my street clothes and into my PT gear.

I presume this question is posted as a Christmas joke, right?

Had to do a PT test the day after everyone was “encouraged “ to give blood. Run times? Not so much.

I would love to hear the soldiers PSGs narrative. Most good E7s would step up to the plate and fix this with the 1SG unless there was an issue with this soldiers ht/wt and or PT score. Deliberately disrupting any soldiers sleep schedule for no compelling reason is bad leadership. Period. As was mentioned already, if you have never worked the off shift continuously, you dont understand the effect it has on a person. I would make a plan for these off shift soldiers and submit it to the 1SG who, if he or she is worth a damn, would attempt to influence the CMDR.

Can you ask your manager , NCOIC for a possible schedule change to accommodate your TOPs mandate?

Is this a satire question

If you have certain jobs in the Army, life isn't always fair. I am an old SIGINT type. We worked rotating shifts. Working the midnight shift was bad. Twice a year we took our APFT. Oh joy, once after a mid & then 6 months later, maybe one in the late afternoon there were red flag warning over heat & humidity. Many times we would do our annual weapons qualification after working a midnight shift. Yeah, we weren't shooting at no 0830 hrs either. We got to the range straight from work & then had to wait until afternoon to shoot. No sleeping either. Did it suck? Oh yeah. Was it fair? No. But we sucked it up & drove on.

The army only requires you to have 4 hours of sleep. Seeing you are not like a normal soldier and am working a civilian type shift he should allow you to have a formation at 1330 for accountability and PT, and at work at 1600.

Sleep for a while.....do PT.....Go back to bed....WTF is the problem? Your mommy not doing your thinking anymore? Go to sick call and tell them your vaginitis is acting up.

There’s that new generation/new army they’re talking about always.

Times have certainly changed. When I was given an order, although I might not have liked it, I followed through. As an enlisted Marine going through Infantry Training Regiment in January and February of 1965 at Camp Geiger, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina I got 2-3 hours of sack time every day for over 30 days straight. I was lucky to get that due to raids in our barracks by Force Recon 2 or 3 times a week. As far as I can tell these conditions are common at a FOB.

As a medic you need the physical fitness and probably even more stringent form of PT additionally at your own time. One hour just isn't enough. What are you going to do when you can't help your battle lift a injured soldier off the ground that can weigh as much as 250-300?? These guys exist and some are all muscle. You need more sleep? Put that phone away. Put that laptop away. Put away that TV. Put away that gaming console or gaming tower. Reserve fun time for Friday night and weekend and for God sakes don't go sleeping at 3 a.m. Monday morning because you need those sleep hours and the work week starts again on Monday morning. And also you're going to hate this but by regulation they only have to give you 4 hours sleep and it doesn't have to all be at one go. If you're a dirtbag soldier the leadership can actually split your 4 hours into one hour every 6 hours I've seen it done
. You don't want that to happen trust me. Like I said save the fun for the weekend.

If you're a medical you need PT more than everyone and even a more demanding PT regime even after PT an hour just isn't enough these days. I've been in the army and now national guard for a total of 18 years 6 months. Let me tell you something , in the guard we hardly do much PT and when it came time to take the physical fitness test it showed with not just the old timers (me being one) but also the young Gung ho soldiers who have aced the test in the past. Now with the ACFT on the horizon with 6 events NOT 3 it's even more demanding! With a minimum of 60 per event you need a 360 to pass with a max of 600 points and I got to tell you I see it kicking a lot of people's ass. Remember you signed the dotted line to be there and follow what your leadership appointed over you tell you to do so long as it's not breaking codes and regs you really can't do much. And I will tell you this also the military ONLY have to by regulation give you 4 hours of mandatory hours of sleep and they don't have to technically give it all to you at once be thankful you get the 4-5 just suck it up and adjust your hours you're not on any duty and sleep. Put down the remote and gaming console or computer and close those eyes. You get the weekend off anyways.

Having been in both the position as a private, a SFC and a Warrant Officer. When we join what ever service we joined we decided to follow the rules of the road. Over the years, twenty in fact, I lead PT, Ran around the Battalion with the flag and many times with only a very few hours of sleep. But that doesn't make everything right! If you are sick, if you absolutely cannot handle PT at the prescribed time. talk to your squad leader, your Platoon Sgt, your First Sgt, Your Commander. Why? Each will explain to you why you should attend the training at the times they have dictated. They are preparing you for "WAR" be it in peace time or in a combat zone! If you are not physically capable then possibly having a physical to identify possible medical issues and if nothing is found, ask for a transfer, a change in MOS, but beware that next move could be even more stressful. What you sow you will reap! Maybe not a promotion, or get the next training assignment. Why because you have not proved you are willing to master what is needed of you for the job that YOU selected!

However! If it is an issue be ause it could cause harm to patients by not receiving rest, be mindful on how you approach the issue. No matter how much we know and think something is right, if we dont approach the issue properly you could be asking for consequences you didnt want. Always us your chain of comand

Hate to break it to you. But if your looking for ethics you wont find much of it in the military unless your airforce. We used to go party until 5 am be back in time to have PT and then when PT ended take a shower and nap until the next formation. Honestly if you schedule things right you can find that you will get sleep while getting work done. However if you have kids, that's different. Being deployed, good luck with sleep. You wont get much of it. Theose 4 or 5 hours you get now, you will be gratefulf if you get deployed. Because you will eventually have to do 24hr duty where you can't sleep at all.

Embrace the suck

How do you solve this effectively and professionally? You go to PT on 5 hours of sleep! I haven't slept more than 3 or 4 hours in a single night since my daughter passed away in 2014.

If I can go 7+ years on less than 4 hours of sleep EVERY NIGHT, you can do it too. Quit being a princess. Suck it up and be a responsible soldier and adult.

You get your ass to formation unless you want an Article 15. Learn to manage your time. I used to go out and party and get back to the barracks at 2am and sleep until 0430 and in formation ready to do PT at 0500. Threw up all my alcohol during the run by being a road guard and running ahead of the formation to do so. Toughen up a bit. Its the military! NOT college.

Sounds like your previous chain of command was lax and failed to ensure Soldiers were doing PT. That was their fault, not yours. I would recommend being at morning PT every day and not bitching. The Commander and 1SG will notice you are doing PT. They will be much more likely to be open to being flexible in PT hours. Your Platoon Leader and Platoon Sergeant is responsible for raising this issue with the command team. Suck it up for now and demonstrate you are doing what is asked. When the time is right PSG and PL should approach CO and 1SG.