Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SSG Retired
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Get up and report to PT or get out of the military it is a requirement. Your 1SG or Commander can require you to report to the duty officer in full uniform every hour 20 hours a day and require you to sleep at the CQ or STAFF Duty DESK the other 4 hours so go to PT or get out as failure to report to duty is a courts martial offence especially after being ordered to be there failure to comply could result in a federal conviction, dishonorable discharge, and imprisonment loss of all pay and allowances, and a record that will follow you into civilian life.
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TSgt Robert Wayne
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How often do you have to do PT? I remember once a year mandatory for the record. The rest of the year was on your own to stay in shape to pass that once a year. I was a firefighter. 24 hrs on and 24 hours off. Plenty of years they would tell us at roll call when my shift was getting off that we were told to meet wherever for our annual PT. We had to go take care of that before we went home for the day. Guess what? We went! You were given your orders. You follow orders then go get some rest before your next shift. The only way you can not "sound" like your whining, is to stop whining!
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TSgt Aerospace Medical Service
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One thing that I noticed approx 10-12 years prior to retirement was the overwhelming drift toward appeasement and the changing of policies for individuals vs individuals being held accountable to the standard to which they signed up for upon enlistment. Whether hair style, physical requirements or a “whole self” concept, it is an integrity issue for an individual to sign the line and then expect policy to change for them. Whether it’s having to cover field Ops in the mountains on a broken foot, or increasing field time for everyone else because 2 individuals out of 8 assigned, were serially pregnant during a 4 year tour, sometimes we have to put up and shut up. No more so than being the only deployable individual in a 4 person section dedicated to supporting GRL deployments, as long as it isn’t illegal, you just do it. Somewhere along the line “we” have been lead to believe that “we” as individuals are much more important than we are. From one perspective, that plays upon an individuals willingness to things that are ridiculous because “we really need you on this one”. From another perspective, it’s going to get done whether you are there or not. As a former IDMT, medics are the absolute worst offenders when it comes to wanting exceptions. Medics were also so first ones to boast about “cool guy $#!+” until it was time to do “cool guy $#!+” and then they could carry a ruck up the hill. We had SEVERAL MAJCOM functional managers want to come out and see what we did for a living until they figured out that they weren’t in shape enough to walk through the training area. “I’ve seen enough” and then make command decisions about our op. While I believe that group activities are highly over rated and really not MORAL events as we are often indoctrinated to believe, PT is a necessary evil for anyone who is expected to make and win war or provide the injured troop with the best ability to make it back home. Time management is Key. How often is it happening and other than something that is not fun, is there a safety element involved? I get it. There are a TON of just because BS in the military; however, if you signed the line, you do the time and suck it up until you have played the game long enough to implement change. Present a rational argument. Present a rational solution with a means of validation. Accept the outcome. You also have to recognize that as the new CC or 1SG, sometimes they come out as a hard ass to show off in their new position. Much of what the military does is a mental game and image oriented. Can I get you to do something that makes little sense in order to test your fortitude and dedication. Sometimes it is to make certain that you are set up for success and survival. Sometimes it, “ Is the units PT score going to help MY profitability?” Sometimes it’s because they have no control at home, but I digress. Regardless, thank you for your service. You’ve got this.
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CMSgt Alan Yoshida
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Answer. You got to PT and you give it all you got. Get food and water in you. Shower off and go to work or sleep depending on what your schedule calls for. It will make you better in the end
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MSgt Robert Bell
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WTF is wrong with you? 4-5 hours of sleep you can run a fricking marathon with that kind of sleep. God forbid you have to fight a war some where. My advice to you, refuse the Covid Vaccine and get the hell out, You are undoubtedly a burden to your unit.
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SPC Brian Ezell
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Speak to your commanding officer. You should not have to go to PT on such short sleep time.
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MSgt Robert Bell
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Your joking right?
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SPC Brian Ezell
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No. I never had to do PT on less than 6 hours of sleep.
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SGT Willie Harrison
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To solve this issue then all you have to do is go to PT, Soldier.
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SPC Brian Ezell
SPC Brian Ezell
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No. This is wrong and his commanding officer should know about it.
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PO1 Billy Wilson
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A 1980 enlisted here you are going to love 12 hour day everyday with 24 hour every third day, for 6 months.
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SGT Mike Keil
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As a junior enlisted, you do what you are told. Stop complaining about PT and do it. If you are tired, get more sleep. If you have plans to work in a civilian hospital when you ETS, you better get used to working long hours with little time off there also. GROW UP.
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SPC Brian Ezell
SPC Brian Ezell
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Wrong answer. He needs to report this to his commanding officer. This is not right.
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SGT Mike Keil
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As a junior enlisted, you do what you are told. Stop complaining about PT and do it. If you are tired, get more sleep. If you have plans to work in a civilian hospital when you ETS, you better get used to working long hours with little time off there also. GROW UP.
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