Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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Douglas Rice
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I got tired of being screw over. I became violent. Don't do this!! Chain of command.
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PO1 Terry Scott
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Looks like you need to make some rank and maybe get your section to shift hours. How can you be the only one with this issue? After PT take a shower and a nap, as a junior enlistee what else have you to do but make sure your uniform is presentable? Yes it sucks. You need to suck it up until you suck lemonade. As a junior enlisted Navy corpsman near the end of Nam we had Port and Starboard Duty. 12 hour shift, 12 hour on call and it was a fluke if you didn't work those 12 hours, then your 12 hour shift and finally 12 hours off to sleep, poop, do laundry and get the next 3 or 4 uniforms ready. We wore working whites and it was expected for you to be shaved and in a neat uniform no matter who barfed or bleed on you. Two of us took care of 64 full care, like in traction, patients and had to time strip our IV bottles because there were no pumps. You could set your watch by my IVs. It got done and we were proud of it.
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Lt Col Rich Jones
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Poor baby! Glad I'm not deploying with you. Dies your
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it sounds like you should not have joined the military and that your command is a mess for not making everyone pt already ..
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Only 5 & 1/2 hours off duty before needing to report again is pretty rough. I’d suggest engaging with your section chief to come up with alternative plans that can be presented to your Commander/1SG that will accommodate you/your section as well as complete the mission.

Until your chain of command changes guidance by either being convinced or otherwise I’d suggest being at that formation even if it sucks. You’ll likely only get counseling statements & or UCMJ thrown at you for missing formation.
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Sgt Joy Cameron
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Do you have a family? That would hamper time getting a nap during the day.
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SCPO Ken Badoian
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Ask what time is best and show up and suck it up. Stop being a barracks room lawyer. When you are getting shot at and w/o much or little sleep then you can complain. Ask a question and you'll get a straight answer.
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AB Blake Bowers
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Sounds like my days working as a paramedic in New York Tennessee and Texas. Long hours sometimes no sleep 24/48 schedule we made it work. I'm not saying that the rules on PT are right, but they're not illegal and it won't kill you
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CPO Mark Westfall
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Uh, you could go to bed earlier.
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I don't know if this is still the case, but at one time leaders were required to allow a minimum of four hours of sleep for their soldiers. Some held it to just that amount in some instances. I've been told that studies show that soldiers perform better with a decent amount of sleep (8 hours) but some old-school leaders still like to keep things miserable. My suggestion would be to propose through your chain of command a mid-day PT time or if the 1SG says no then wake up, go to PT then go back to sleep. It sucks, but you did volunteer to join the army. I can assure you that if you go downrange your sleep schedule will be even more F'ed up than it is now.
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