Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
You can do it! If your shift is 1600-0000 sleep for a few hours and go to PT, and sleep some more before your shift. You’re in the Army that’s your job. Work it out!
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Go to PT. What makes you feel like you don't have to do what everyone else in the military has to do?
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Aw...bless yer heart!
Over 13 months in RVN I got 1-2 hours a night. I slept when I could, including in the gypsy rack of a moving tank doing road sweeps.
Additional 22 years as govt employee working 10-12 hour night shifts, with 3 hours of travel time, 6 days a week. Just refuse, go to the brig, perhaps you'll get more sleep there. I have little sympathy. You didnt research and picked the wrong job.
Over 13 months in RVN I got 1-2 hours a night. I slept when I could, including in the gypsy rack of a moving tank doing road sweeps.
Additional 22 years as govt employee working 10-12 hour night shifts, with 3 hours of travel time, 6 days a week. Just refuse, go to the brig, perhaps you'll get more sleep there. I have little sympathy. You didnt research and picked the wrong job.
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Is that really a question? Has the military changed so much over the past 40 years that a junior enlisted would even think this is a problem. You are a fighting force that should be physically fit. 4 to 5 hours of is equal or less time then I got in the Grunts or in Iraq. Stop your whining and suck it up.
Former Ssgt. USMC.
Former Ssgt. USMC.
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Seriously? And I quote “ ..don’t want to sound like I’m whining but…….”
You’re whining!
It’s the US Military! Do what your told
Maybe you should’ve joined the peace corp. You should be embarrassed for publicly posting this and should rescind the post and carry on. You’ll be all right.
You’re whining!
It’s the US Military! Do what your told
Maybe you should’ve joined the peace corp. You should be embarrassed for publicly posting this and should rescind the post and carry on. You’ll be all right.
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First of all, I would like to apologize to the men and women of the Armed Forces that work everyday with similar schedules that don’t complain and do their duty unencumbered by such a ridiculous question. We are the men and women who train to protect this great nation. We live and train with pride and dignity on very little. We walk taller because we know our purpose and we know that no matter what is demanded of us, we will never let our people or this nation down due to our inabilities to adapt and overcome. I am 68 years old retired Master Gunnery Sargent. When I retired they said goodbye to an old dinosaur. An old dinosaur that remembers those who came before me and an old WWII poem that says:
“Take up our quarrel with the foe. To you from failing hands we throw
The torch.
Be yours to bear it high!
But if ye break faith with us who die, we shall not sleep tho poppies blow
In Flanders Field.”
Men and women have fought and died for all of you. If you signed up for service of this great country, hold that torch high so the fallen can see it shining from their their place of rest. We have the best here and every enemy wants what we have and will do their best to take it from us, then turn around and punished us for being Americans. Train for the worst so it doesn’t come to that.
“Take up our quarrel with the foe. To you from failing hands we throw
The torch.
Be yours to bear it high!
But if ye break faith with us who die, we shall not sleep tho poppies blow
In Flanders Field.”
Men and women have fought and died for all of you. If you signed up for service of this great country, hold that torch high so the fallen can see it shining from their their place of rest. We have the best here and every enemy wants what we have and will do their best to take it from us, then turn around and punished us for being Americans. Train for the worst so it doesn’t come to that.
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Even a medical profile won't get you out of PT. I still had to show upto formation. The stand there till calisthenics finished and while the ran I had to walk around the track. If your in the military you have to follow the rules no exceptions.
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Is there an NCO in the same situation?
Here is a solution.
1. Talk with the NCO
2. Approach the 1SG with this solution
3. The NCO will take charge running a later PT and give the 1SG a daily SITREP, accounting of who is in the secondary PT formation.
1SG can be a hardass, but respect his/her decision but explain as a medical person the importance of being alert to take care of patients in your care.
Be diplomatic and say it's not that you don't want to do PT and want comply, but your duty position hours does cause a hardship to those patients needing care.
Remember, include that NCO is this conversation.
CSM Edward Litherland (USA RET)
If that fails, then suck it do the PT
Here is a solution.
1. Talk with the NCO
2. Approach the 1SG with this solution
3. The NCO will take charge running a later PT and give the 1SG a daily SITREP, accounting of who is in the secondary PT formation.
1SG can be a hardass, but respect his/her decision but explain as a medical person the importance of being alert to take care of patients in your care.
Be diplomatic and say it's not that you don't want to do PT and want comply, but your duty position hours does cause a hardship to those patients needing care.
Remember, include that NCO is this conversation.
CSM Edward Litherland (USA RET)
If that fails, then suck it do the PT
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