Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
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SPC Richard Cantrell
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This whiny remf needs to buck up and do his job and his pt like everyone else. It is tiring hearing all these kids whine about not getting sleep and having to do pt or other things they don't like. They forget that after they raised there righthand and swore an oath that the government owns them 24/7 and they have to do as there told by hire ranking individuals above them even when they don't want to. If you are complaining like this dearing peace time you sure as hell won't be able to hack it in war time.
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SSG Operations Nco
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Why are you only getting 4-5 hours sleep?! Need to work on time management
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TSgt George Gray
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When you're junior enlisted you're often stuck unless the commander intervenes when morale fails. All I can say is do it. The military isn't meant to be easy
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TSgt George Gray
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Think of basic, you did shit with two hours of sleep. Don't whine now
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PO1 Terry Scott
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Ok after reading it and remembering the bone heads I served with. Then there was the time in a Navy Hospital at the tail end of Nam we stood Port and Starboard duty. 12 on, 12 on call guaranteed to work, 12 on then 12 to poop, do laundry, say hi to the family and sleep. And do it again. If some bone head said do PT they never would have been heard from again. But I went to an Army school and the stupidity was amazing. Plan on it, it builds character. It’s called Chicken Shit. The Army is an expert at trying to make you nuts. If you think it’s not right, fair has nothing to do with it, document it. If there’s a trend bring it up POLITELY. Cover your ass and make sure your right and it’s not just a hurt butt.
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PO1 Terry Scott
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Too bad, so sad. They owe you an hour a day. No more, no less. If you are allowed time of and you waste it I hope your laundry looks presentable. They also owe you enough food to make a turd. One turd. You signed the contract. You get out of the military what you put into it. With that attitude you will get transferred in a gold plated shitcan. The next command will see you coming and it only gets worse. Appears you can’t even depend on yourself much less have others depend on you. Grow up or tell them your feet hurt and take a general and save all of us tax payers some money.
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SPC Michael Moore
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First off Safety is the main concern here, if a soldier is only getting 4-5 hours of sleep and then being told to report to PT is not helping the soldier but hurting not only the Morale of the soldier but also hurting those that suppose to be in our care, I understand that we have to be fit but we also have to have a clear mind when dealing with other soldiers lives and well beings, with that being said I would respectfully go to my first line and ask is there anyway PT can be done on our days off, I do remember that PT was done by sections and the SEL had to send the 1SG an accountability roster. The only way I would make PT mandatory as a unit would be if we are calling well below the passing threshold.
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PFC George Gates
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I remember through BCT and getting four hours of sleep and told that's all they are required to give you. If your getting five enjoy the good life and suck it up soldier.
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1LT Kurt Mccarthy
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Go to sleep earlier, you're in the Army, what did you expect?
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PFC Irish Luck
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Don't be week. Don't like a baby. If you can't handle that thin use a damn tampon and close that whole up. You serve our great nation do it with some damn pride with your head held up. 4-5 hours of sleep. Regs. Only require you to have 4 hours of rest a day and it does not have to be consecutive. Sounds like you have plenty of time. 1600-0000. LMFAO WEAK drunk water take a piss do your PT. 0430 PT every day all day baby. You disgrace the uniform if your going to cry over 4-5 hours of PT. Go party until about 30 minutes to formation do PT thin go to sleep.
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SGT Michael Wells III
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Edited 2 y ago
Army Regulations say you need only 4 collective hours of sleep in a 24-hour day. May want to keep that in mind. I would suggest an ETS if you find that too much for you.

Let me ask a counter-question here. How many hours of sleep do you think you'll get downrange?
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SFC James Smith
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My knee jerk response was almost "suck it up Buttercup, this is the Army". Now, after being retired and owning my own company with 65 employees who perform demanding and sometimes dangerous tasks... I think leadership has to look at what they are asking and decide if it is truly in the best interest of the Army, the soldiers, and in this case... any patients who may be treated by this individual. This isn't a war zone scenario where everyone does what ever needs to be done to accomplish the mission, safety be damned. This is a garrison scenario. If it were a short term situation... yes, grind it out and get the job done.
In this case, for these soldiers that work thru the afternoon PT so their only option is the morning PT after 5hrs of sleep after pulling a stressful 8 hr evening shift 5 or 6 days a week, some consideration and better planning should be the course for their leadership. Sleep deprivation may be expected during wartime or even training... regular day to day garrison activity tho? There is no point to it. The leaders are affecting the health of the soldier and potentially creating performance related problems and risks at the medical facility. what's the worst that can happen? Maybe giving a patient the wrong prescription, marking the wrong person's chart to remove a gall bladder or a hundred other life threatening mistakes?
This is also a recruitment and retention issue. Considering the Army's current struggles with meeting these goals, poor leadership is certainly a major reason to lose a good soldier.
Leaders need to perform risk analysis and weigh all considerations, even when simply scheduling a PT formation.
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Cpl Vic Cortes
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You suck it up, Im a Nam Marine, many times had no sleep.
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SGT Chris Gibbs
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Yeah the regulation is take your ass to formation !!
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LCDR Ed Etzkorn
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Suck it up buttercup!
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SGT Bill Braniff
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The new nly way to solve this problem is to do as you are ordered. As a Junior Enlisted whatever that is, you have been granted en an order and you do it. No questions
I hate to go back to Vietnam duty, but I guess you need to know. As an Infantryman, we often did 16 and 20 hour days then started again the next day. That’s what we did. Why did you join the Army?
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SGT Andrew Anderson
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I don’t understand your dilemma, go to PT.
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PO3 Ted G
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Adulting is hard, we all figured it out, you can to. Sleep after PT.
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GySgt Marc Dickerson
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Pussy.
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LT Bret Simon
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5 hours? You're lucky. Quit whining. You're in the military! If you want easy, go work at the Gap
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