Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
I mean this with all due respect. Bite the bullet and go to pt. At my old unit we used to run 100+ hours a week. You got sleep in where you could. I know it sucks, but I recommend you embrace the suck and try to talk to your first line about some comp time or time to reset.
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I suggest that you obey all lawful orders of those appointed over you. If you feel that you aren't getting enough sleep you could request to speak to your C.O. about it.
I can understand the disappointment of the 1st Sgt. when only 5 bodies turned out for PT. How the heck did that happen? Who was the former 1st Sgt that allowed that to occur? How did the C.O. not notice?
I can tell you that when I served the only watch that got any slack with regard to reville was the 2400 to 0400. They could sleep in till 0800. When I opted to attend a college course in town I was put on the !200 - 0440 watch. So I would go on duty at 1200, off duty at 1600. Time for meal and into town for class 1900 to 2130. Back to base in time to go back on watch at 2400 - 0400. Then sleep till 0800.
Don't be a wus.
I can understand the disappointment of the 1st Sgt. when only 5 bodies turned out for PT. How the heck did that happen? Who was the former 1st Sgt that allowed that to occur? How did the C.O. not notice?
I can tell you that when I served the only watch that got any slack with regard to reville was the 2400 to 0400. They could sleep in till 0800. When I opted to attend a college course in town I was put on the !200 - 0440 watch. So I would go on duty at 1200, off duty at 1600. Time for meal and into town for class 1900 to 2130. Back to base in time to go back on watch at 2400 - 0400. Then sleep till 0800.
Don't be a wus.
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Start with your squad leader and go from there. Let's just say your squad leader and platoon sgt don't know you haven't had sleep etc. Just a general conversation with them and I think it will go a long way. Don't be an ass to them just talked to them on whats going on. Remember when we say we are family we mean it and this is what family does you talk about things. I'm they will understand and adjust your schedule to fit the needs of the platoon and the mission.
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I'm old school Army. When I was a junior enlisted, then an NCO, the regulation was a minimum 4 hours of sleep every 24 hours. I don't know if that regulation is still current, but if it's still the same, all I can suggest is manage your time accordingly.
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You are kidding right? Suck up and get some PT in. The "new" breed is really fragile.
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Suck it up buttercup. You are in the military, and that is how it works. Wait until you’re deployed and you’ve been up 24 hours straight or longer because everything has gone to hell in a hand basket. Everything you do in garrison is meant to train your mind and body for the rigors of combat. Not to mention, I’m sure I’m not the only one that can they’ve shown up to PT formation with less than an hour of sleep still drunk from the night prior and had to run a 10 miler that day. Ah the joys of infantryland.
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Just do that hour of physical Fitness. How about pulling 24 hr duty on a Wednesday ending Thursday and being told to do PT, or partake in Sergeants Time Training. Dayum we done got soft
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We fix all night marches, got out 20 minutes to rest and change. Thrn onto PT area and do about 30 min of that crap, now regular duty,
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This whiny remf needs to buck up and do his job and his pt like everyone else. It is tiring hearing all these kids whine about not getting sleep and having to do pt or other things they don't like. They forget that after they raised there righthand and swore an oath that the government owns them 24/7 and they have to do as there told by hire ranking individuals above them even when they don't want to. If you are complaining like this dearing peace time you sure as hell won't be able to hack it in war time.
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Why are you only getting 4-5 hours sleep?! Need to work on time management
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When you're junior enlisted you're often stuck unless the commander intervenes when morale fails. All I can say is do it. The military isn't meant to be easy
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Ok after reading it and remembering the bone heads I served with. Then there was the time in a Navy Hospital at the tail end of Nam we stood Port and Starboard duty. 12 on, 12 on call guaranteed to work, 12 on then 12 to poop, do laundry, say hi to the family and sleep. And do it again. If some bone head said do PT they never would have been heard from again. But I went to an Army school and the stupidity was amazing. Plan on it, it builds character. It’s called Chicken Shit. The Army is an expert at trying to make you nuts. If you think it’s not right, fair has nothing to do with it, document it. If there’s a trend bring it up POLITELY. Cover your ass and make sure your right and it’s not just a hurt butt.
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Too bad, so sad. They owe you an hour a day. No more, no less. If you are allowed time of and you waste it I hope your laundry looks presentable. They also owe you enough food to make a turd. One turd. You signed the contract. You get out of the military what you put into it. With that attitude you will get transferred in a gold plated shitcan. The next command will see you coming and it only gets worse. Appears you can’t even depend on yourself much less have others depend on you. Grow up or tell them your feet hurt and take a general and save all of us tax payers some money.
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First off Safety is the main concern here, if a soldier is only getting 4-5 hours of sleep and then being told to report to PT is not helping the soldier but hurting not only the Morale of the soldier but also hurting those that suppose to be in our care, I understand that we have to be fit but we also have to have a clear mind when dealing with other soldiers lives and well beings, with that being said I would respectfully go to my first line and ask is there anyway PT can be done on our days off, I do remember that PT was done by sections and the SEL had to send the 1SG an accountability roster. The only way I would make PT mandatory as a unit would be if we are calling well below the passing threshold.
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I remember through BCT and getting four hours of sleep and told that's all they are required to give you. If your getting five enjoy the good life and suck it up soldier.
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Don't be week. Don't like a baby. If you can't handle that thin use a damn tampon and close that whole up. You serve our great nation do it with some damn pride with your head held up. 4-5 hours of sleep. Regs. Only require you to have 4 hours of rest a day and it does not have to be consecutive. Sounds like you have plenty of time. 1600-0000. LMFAO WEAK drunk water take a piss do your PT. 0430 PT every day all day baby. You disgrace the uniform if your going to cry over 4-5 hours of PT. Go party until about 30 minutes to formation do PT thin go to sleep.
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