Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SFC Drill Sergeant
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Ask a Drill Seegeant how they do it every day for cycles on end. We go to bed somewhere around 2230-2330 and get up at 0330 and do it all again and again! You get done with PT and you can catch naps before your 1600-0000 shift. Yeah it sucks but it won't be that way forever. Also don't forget you have a section leader you can always gather a group who feels the same as you and bring it to their attention in a non complaint associated way and say hey we'd really like to do pt at say 0930 as a section, as long as the section does pt the 1sg ahouldnt see it as an issue. People who bring a solution with their problem get better results!
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PO1 James Lusk
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I served onboard an aircraft carrier in the 1980s. The ship was commissioned in 1965. I was an electrician and worked in the engineering spaces (boiler / main engine rooms). It was a hot/tough/loud environment - especially in warm water operational areas. My underway scheduled was a 12 hour workday along with two 4 hour watch rotations on a turbine generator. Out of the bunk at 6. Muster at 7. Seven days a week for at least 45 days with a brief stop in an overseas port. Sometimes 90 days between port stops. One watch would fall during the workday. The second would either be midnight to four or four to eight in the morning. Throw in general quarters drlls and training exercises there would be little time to sleep. Engineeering drills at night in between flight ops. The machinist mates and boiler techs were on a 6 hour watch rotation. The guys on the flight deck would work very long hours during launch evolutions.

In the end, you do what you have to do and look back at it with pride for doing your job.
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MCPO Richard Velte
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Most Commands I've been in (Navy), we had Command PT, Division PT, remedial PT, self PT, and PT by shift. All PT was dependent on uptempo. Medical did their own thing for most aspects (PT, Duty, leave...) If you simply have sleep issues then you need to address that with your Chain. If it's a shift issue then maybe propose shift PT where you work out after or before shift. BUT if you present your issue as you have here....I'd feel as though it would fall on deaf ears. Present a solution to your problem to the Chain, this way its not directly seen as a whine of someone looking to get out of something. PT is a mandatory part of service to maintain one's body & mind.
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Cpl George Matousek
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In Vietnam I averaged 3 hours a night. Semper Fi
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SSG Thomas Fuller
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You get to soldier up and go to PT with your company. Organizational PT isn’t just about doing PT, it’s about socializing with your fellow soldiers, training together, knowing everyones’ abilities, knowing you all trained together and building esprit d’corps. Later on maybe the chain of command will make a late PT time to accommodate second and third shifters. You will attend PT.
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MSG Debby ODonnell
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Amidst the chaos of war, getting enough sleep may seem like a luxury. However, it is important to remember that war does not pause or slow down based on how much rest you have had. It is why maintaining physical fitness through regular PT (physical training) is crucial for soldiers. By staying healthy and fit, soldiers are better equipped to handle the demands of combat and are more likely to come out unscathed. Ultimately, being in good shape is not just about personal well-being but also about being able to help others stay alive.
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MSG Debby ODonnell
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Also, in order to safeguard the hard-earned freedoms that our veterans, both past and present, have valiantly fought for, it is crucial always to remain prepared. Similar to how one must maintain physical fitness, being prepared ensures that we honor their sacrifices by upholding the values they stood for.
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PFC Jeffrey Villarreal
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i suggest you leave the military move to ca and live with the other woke gen z cry babies
as a ex 1st 75th c co wpns plt ranger we did pt when ever we were told complaining was not a option and it keep us alive later ...lol we never got 4/5 hours of sleep anyway unless on r&r
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PFC Jeffrey Villarreal
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sorry about the spelling kept lol
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SSG John J Accornero
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Go
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SSG Michael Baney
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Do what you are told you lazy slug
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SPC Johnny Brown
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I was an infantryman in the 90's. During my entire enlistment 12 hours on and 12 hours off was considered an easy day. We did PT every duty day without a second thought. This was normal. My day started at 0500 with first call. Between 0500 and 0600 I was expected to get dressed for PT and clean (sweep, mop, scrub floors, etc) the common area assigned to me and my room. 0600 was first formation, but you should always be at formation 15 minutes before hand or you are late. If we were not in the field we would typically get off at 1700, but not always. It could be 1800 or 2000 or whatever depending. These were the easy days. When we were in the field which was half the time we were lucky if we had 4 hours of consistent sleep. In fact that was rare. It was far more common to get 2 hours of sleep, wake up for an hour of guard duty then get 2 more hours of sleep before continuing the mission. Time in the field was usually a minimum of 3 days and sometimes went on for up to 4 weeks. I am 49 years old and a civilian now. I still only get about 5 hours of sleep most days. I am always tired, but I suck it up and drive on like I learned in the US Army. The army is a fighting force that needs to be ready for war at all times. Could the 1st Sgt be more accommodating on the hours for soldiers that work odd hours? Perhaps, but keep in mind that the enemy (Russian soldiers, Chinese soldiers, Middle Eastern terrorists, etc) will not be. A lot of things we do in the armed forces suck. I completed a 33 mile road march in the mountains of Alaska in the winter after receiving 4 hours of sleep over the course of 3 days. That sucked, but I did it. I know it sounds like the proverbial "I walked through the snow up hill both ways to go to school," but it is a true story and many others did the same along side of me. Soldier, I know this sucks at the moment, but suck it up and drive on, and years from now you can take pride that you did things that were hard because they were hard.
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SPC M1 ABRAMS Tank System Maintainer
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I mean this with all due respect. Bite the bullet and go to pt. At my old unit we used to run 100+ hours a week. You got sleep in where you could. I know it sucks, but I recommend you embrace the suck and try to talk to your first line about some comp time or time to reset.
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Sgt Michael Clifford
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I suggest that you obey all lawful orders of those appointed over you. If you feel that you aren't getting enough sleep you could request to speak to your C.O. about it.

I can understand the disappointment of the 1st Sgt. when only 5 bodies turned out for PT. How the heck did that happen? Who was the former 1st Sgt that allowed that to occur? How did the C.O. not notice?

I can tell you that when I served the only watch that got any slack with regard to reville was the 2400 to 0400. They could sleep in till 0800. When I opted to attend a college course in town I was put on the !200 - 0440 watch. So I would go on duty at 1200, off duty at 1600. Time for meal and into town for class 1900 to 2130. Back to base in time to go back on watch at 2400 - 0400. Then sleep till 0800.
Don't be a wus.
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SGT Erick Holmes
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Start with your squad leader and go from there. Let's just say your squad leader and platoon sgt don't know you haven't had sleep etc. Just a general conversation with them and I think it will go a long way. Don't be an ass to them just talked to them on whats going on. Remember when we say we are family we mean it and this is what family does you talk about things. I'm they will understand and adjust your schedule to fit the needs of the platoon and the mission.
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Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna
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Just do it!...
One time deal for your day, sleep at your Lunch...
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SGT Disabled Veteran
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I'm old school Army. When I was a junior enlisted, then an NCO, the regulation was a minimum 4 hours of sleep every 24 hours. I don't know if that regulation is still current, but if it's still the same, all I can suggest is manage your time accordingly.
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Sgt Tony Kollmorgan
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You are kidding right? Suck up and get some PT in. The "new" breed is really fragile.
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SSG Steven Chirco
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Suck it up buttercup. You are in the military, and that is how it works. Wait until you’re deployed and you’ve been up 24 hours straight or longer because everything has gone to hell in a hand basket. Everything you do in garrison is meant to train your mind and body for the rigors of combat. Not to mention, I’m sure I’m not the only one that can they’ve shown up to PT formation with less than an hour of sleep still drunk from the night prior and had to run a 10 miler that day. Ah the joys of infantryland.
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SFC Kevin Barlow
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Just do that hour of physical Fitness. How about pulling 24 hr duty on a Wednesday ending Thursday and being told to do PT, or partake in Sergeants Time Training. Dayum we done got soft
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SGT John Shatesky
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We fix all night marches, got out 20 minutes to rest and change. Thrn onto PT area and do about 30 min of that crap, now regular duty,
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CWO4 Carter Owens
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Easy answer....... make Pay Grade
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