Posted on Jun 12, 2019
SPC(P) Medical Laboratory Specialist
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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PO2 Robert Comegys
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Join your company and get it done.
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1SG J. Shannon Lewis
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Try scoring 270 or above on APFT and see if that'll give you some bargaining power
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SGT Edward Thomas
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I would suggest quit whining and go to PT. Only 4-5 hrs of sleep? I love that luxury. Deployed we never got more than 2-3 hours of sleep
At night or day depending on shift we worked. Plus we were expected to do PT on our own and pass PT tests.
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CPL Joseph Langone
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Suck it up and do as your told. Mom can not help you. For Gods sake GROW UP
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CPL Joseph Langone
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Suck it up and do as your told. Mom can not help you. For Gods sake GROW UP.
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SSG Jeffery Payne
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Suck it up buttercup. Your a soldier first then what ever your MOS is. The life of a soldier is not always a easy one. See you are using your civilian thinking to deal with a military problem. Remember you a a soldier first. If you're not in shape and the balloon goes up. You are screwed. Everyone is a 11B (grunt) if you are overrun.
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SSG Dale London
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I hate to sound insensitive but, well, maybe I am a little. Crap is one of the things we get to enjoy as a perk of our service to Uncle Sugar. As my old PSG used to say, "Embrace the suck."
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SPC Robert Bobo
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What you learn to handle now will prepare you for the future challenges you will face in the military or cilivian world, prior to my retirement , I was a Sr. Vice President at the national level, I can't tell you how many times a weak manager on my team would "fold" in a crises, unfortunately there lack of commitment would not be apparent until there's a serious issue requiring there total commitment, these people eventaully show who they really are in terms of work ethic and they never advance to the highest levels of the organization , in fact many end up stagnating in lower tier roles. Your background, training , experience and education will only take you so far , work ethic is critical, example I had two experienced and educated people with impressive backgrounds, they held 100k sr.manager level positions in two different states, we had crises in there AO , both Sr. Managers "FOLDED" and couldn't be reached by their staff , the situations were elevated to me for immediate action and I had to pull and deploy Sr. Managers from other states to handle the situation. Both these weak leaders wouldn't answer email,cell phone or text for almost a week , claiming serious personal issues, they both lost all credibility with there hundreds of employees and our customers, after that event they both have plenty of time off to focus on personal issues
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LCpl Cody Collins
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Uh you do as your told and go, Problem solved .
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SGT Jack Stevens
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Army regs only state that your command only needs to give you 4 1/2 hours of sleep during a 24 hour day. If you are working that schedule. There should be a alternate pt/work call formation, that is held. Every workday.
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SSG Senior Mechanic
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As an E3 in the 80s, we would party all night and still make the first formation. Remember propping,and getting propped up and shaving whoever was still too inebriated to trust with a razor. Then pt and we PTed and puked till it was over. Just getting the poison out. Best thing to do is deal with it. I made the choice to party knowing the consequences. And , I survived. No sympathy here
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CPT Richard Boye
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It does sound unreasonable. However, if you were in combat you would be lucky to get 4 hours of sleep. I was the XO of Co. A, 205th Medical BN. My unit was deployed to OIF 1 ( 2003 - 2004 ). So I am speaking from experience. My days were from 0500 to 2300 Hours every day for over a year. It is the pace required to get the job done. Your platoon sergeant and platoon leader should be aware of your schedule. I would use your chain of command to voice your concerns.
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SGM Thomas Adderley
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What 'isn't right' is your complaining and 'whining' about it. You sound like a 'mommas boy' whose 'molly-coddled a__ should do a few tours in a field hospital in the middle east. When your time is up get out of my Army
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MSgt Michael Madden
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Edited 6 y ago
You resolve this problem by going to PT. This is the military not a civilian job.
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CW3 Chief Of Police
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Show up and do the PT. After a few weeks, ask to speak to the top about it. Do not complain.
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SFC John Fourquet
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First of all you are whining. 2d you can adjust to this w/o complaints and you will find you will do just fine w/ 5 hours sleep and a power nap before your shift. If you cannot adjust to the 1SG PT schedule try transferring to an infantry unit. No shift work there and no room for whiners. In other words such it up and stop complaining.
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PO2 Floyd Green
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Wow, this is really a question? Sorry dude, there were nights when I went on watch at 10:00PM, and got off at 6:00AM with enough time to change into PT gear, PT and then go back on duty following PT all day.

This was a regular occurrence, I am not sure if expectations have changed, but 4 to 5 hours of sleep was considered enough to participate not only in PT but an additional 12 - 16 hours of duty.
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SPC Jimmy Rooks I
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but lack of sleep is par for the course in the military! "Suck it up, snowflake" as they told us when I was in!
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CWO2 Shelby DuBois
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Yes... Go to your CSM's office....lay on the floor outside his door and roll around on the floor...hit the floor with your hands ...not too hard, since it might hurt.... but cry if you can.... Then if that don't work, go to your local veteran hospital and ask anyone there how they cope with hardships.
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I've had the pleasure of working in the S-1 as a 42A when I was a private. I was up from 5am until the next morning 230am either driving around Wisconsin to Illinois is and back up to fort mccoy, and then doing in-processing for the convoys. I went to bed at 230/3 and up at 5 with the rest of the group. I was tired and didn't feel well at all, but
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Crap sorry! But I stuck through it. I had time to rest later in the day and I was able to still perform my duties with little sleep for this one time. If this continued long term it would have been very difficult.
4-5 hours straight isn't much of a problem for most, 8 hours can be far too much for others. You have time to sleep before your shift begins right? Plan to rest before your shift begins, nap after, and go all out for PT.
I'm not sure of what regulations there are so I'm going to browse the responses and learn a thing or teo
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