I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?

As an E3 in the 80s, we would party all night and still make the first formation. Remember propping,and getting propped up and shaving whoever was still too inebriated to trust with a razor. Then pt and we PTed and puked till it was over. Just getting the poison out. Best thing to do is deal with it. I made the choice to party knowing the consequences. And , I survived. No sympathy here

It does sound unreasonable. However, if you were in combat you would be lucky to get 4 hours of sleep. I was the XO of Co. A, 205th Medical BN. My unit was deployed to OIF 1 ( 2003 - 2004 ). So I am speaking from experience. My days were from 0500 to 2300 Hours every day for over a year. It is the pace required to get the job done. Your platoon sergeant and platoon leader should be aware of your schedule. I would use your chain of command to voice your concerns.

What 'isn't right' is your complaining and 'whining' about it. You sound like a 'mommas boy' whose 'molly-coddled a__ should do a few tours in a field hospital in the middle east. When your time is up get out of my Army

You resolve this problem by going to PT. This is the military not a civilian job.

Show up and do the PT. After a few weeks, ask to speak to the top about it. Do not complain.

First of all you are whining. 2d you can adjust to this w/o complaints and you will find you will do just fine w/ 5 hours sleep and a power nap before your shift. If you cannot adjust to the 1SG PT schedule try transferring to an infantry unit. No shift work there and no room for whiners. In other words such it up and stop complaining.

Wow, this is really a question? Sorry dude, there were nights when I went on watch at 10:00PM, and got off at 6:00AM with enough time to change into PT gear, PT and then go back on duty following PT all day.

This was a regular occurrence, I am not sure if expectations have changed, but 4 to 5 hours of sleep was considered enough to participate not only in PT but an additional 12 - 16 hours of duty.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but lack of sleep is par for the course in the military! "Suck it up, snowflake" as they told us when I was in!

Yes... Go to your CSM's office....lay on the floor outside his door and roll around on the floor...hit the floor with your hands ...not too hard, since it might hurt.... but cry if you can.... Then if that don't work, go to your local veteran hospital and ask anyone there how they cope with hardships.

I've had the pleasure of working in the S-1 as a 42A when I was a private. I was up from 5am until the next morning 230am either driving around Wisconsin to Illinois is and back up to fort mccoy, and then doing in-processing for the convoys. I went to bed at 230/3 and up at 5 with the rest of the group. I was tired and didn't feel well at all, but

You get your sorry butt up and pt like you are told. Good lord what has happened to our military.

Feel lucky that you are getting a very reasonable 4-5 hours of sleep per night. If you were in the Infantry you would be working much more with the same amount of sleep and showing up at PT every morning. Suck it up buttercup.

You are junior enlisted. Go to McDonald and get a straw so that you can suck it the fuck up. Unless the order is an unlawful one then you are sworn to follow the orders given. This is one of the many problems that the army has created for itsself: lack of good order and discipline. It's one of the biggest differences that I noticed when I switched from Marine Corps infantry to army infantry. Did we have to do dumb shit that was inconvenient and blatantly stupid in the Marine Corps? Of course we did. Were we happy about it? Absolutely not, and we bitched and griped AMONGST OUR PEERS. Those NCOs and Staff NCOs weren't blind to what was going on, and did what they could to fix it, as that's their job. I learned from it, remembered it, and then when I became an NCO did all that I could to mitigate it from happening to my soldiers.

That's what you need to do: your job. For some reason the latest generation of soldiers seem to think that their job is simply their mos related tasks during business hours, or during "shifts" like a civilian job. Incorrect. Right now your job is to get your ass up and be in PT formation. Your job is to carry out the plan of the day as outlined by your chain of command. Do that. You belong to the Army 24/7, and are granted daily liberty periods. Remember that.

By all means remember this fuckery, and perhaps use it as a reminder in the future when you are in a position to do something about it. But for now, you are not. So take it as a character building experience and drive on.

Whatever you do, do not, DO NOT be that guy. Stay in your lane, keep in mind that your NCOs and Staff NCOs are tracking, realize that it isn't forever, learn from it, and carry on. It's too easy.

Having worked odd hours in a hospital, I can understand your concerns. In my experience, Big Army is not going to change policies to accommodate one Soldier. That said, you mentioned your entire section is on the samue shift. My suggestion would be to approach your PSG or equivalent and see if they would be willing to approach the command about having your entire shift, as a team, conduct organized PT either just before or just after your shift is complete. I'm assuming the commander's intent is to maintain organized PT to ensure fitness, readiness, and accountability. This suggestion would meet all that criteria. Remember, any time you bring a problem to your leadership, ALWAYS bring a solution as well. I can't promise they will agree to it, but it is a reasonable request and the worst they can say is "no". Just remember to be tactful, polite, and professional. I would also recommend bringing it up first with your peers and make it a team effort. This makes it a group issue, rather than an individual one.

Lets just start with the service you're in probably sucks. It doesn't make any sense youre working a swing shift but your command is demanding you show up to a mandatory PT session 5 hours later? Why is there not another PT session to accommodate those that arent on a day shift? Why wouldnt you have PT closer to the time you start because I bet there are minimal complaints for the guys that either work at somewhere between 0600-0800. Hell might be included into their work day knowing the Army. I highly suggest you bring this up but work it up the chain. A lot of idiots are going to tell you to suck it up, when I was coming up, etc bs. You'd really be surprised how many people within your chain that can help and I guarantee someone higher ranking feels the same way you do.its just easier to get things done when you have a majority rule. Worst that can happen is they tell you no or explain to them that it work for better for everyone if either they add a PT slot closer to your work start time or they could move you to a shift closer to the mandated PT shift they already have.

Pretty simple. Get up and go to PT.

Embrace the suck while you solve the problem.

Bring it up to your first line supervisor. If they can't resolve it for you, then suck it up! Welcome to the Army :)

Unbelievable

Go to PT... if you cannot function on 4 to 5 hours sleep find another profession... combat shows no mercy and you have to maintain patient safety in a combat hospital with limited sleep... if you cannot do it here hard to think you can do it when necessary to save Soldiers in combat... if military life is not for you that is fine... thank you for your service... however it is time to find something more suited to your sleep schedule and personnel choices... one of those values is selfless service where you put the needs of the command, the service, and others over yourself... not self service...