Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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LCDR Robert Russnogle
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Simple. Go to PT
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SSG Robert Tucker
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GET THE FUCK TO PT AND SHUT YOUR FUCKING WHINEY LITTL MOUT !!
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SFC William Bethea
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I have spent multiple combat and noncombat deployments, getting only 2 to 3 hours of sleep most nights. You adjust for it and do yoir job, then catch up on sleep when you can.
Remember you joined the military, it is very different than a civilian job. If you can not accommodate yourself to the military, ETS when it is your time.
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SGM G3 Sergeant Major
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Specialist, perhaps you could speak to your shift supervisor and ask to report to duty 15 minutes late due to the First Sergeants accountability formation(unless he wants you to actually complete PT, for which only the 0530 time is a viable solution). Better yet, ask your Platoon Sergeant to speak to both your first Sergeant and/or your shift supervisor to find a compromise that works for all involved. Otherwise, sleep for a couple of hours complete PT take a shower and then go back to bed.

Post Script: Like SFC Davila stated, when my fellow E4 mafia and I would were at our first duty station. Wwe would come in from a night out just in time for PT and then we would try to sleep it off during personal hygiene/breakfast and lunch hours. Take another nap after duty and then do it all over again.
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SGT Roger Sharpnack
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I'm guessing that you're not an Airborne Ranger.
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1SG Juan Mafnas
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Specialist, do you remember being at Basic Training with only limited sleep time and then begin training very early the next day? If you worked an 8-hour shift at the hospital and had to attend PT at 0530 hours, you can go back to sleep afterwards until you have to get ready for your shift. Just because you work in a Garrison environment does not exclude you from always training and preparing for combat where you could be deployed at a moments notice. I highly suggest that you look at getting control of your time management skills and make some adjustment to your daily schedule to meet all the training requirements and work schedule. Your first line supervisor should also look at a rotation of soldiers in the work schedule at the hospital so that everyone in your platoon has an opportunity to experience a different work environment that will prepare them for combat situation. You have made it this far in the Army as a Specialist so I know that you have the skills and training to adapt and overcome to complete your mission.
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CPL Gary Dishman
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But I didn't have to show up for Formation are PT as back in Germany I drove for the BIG BRASS as in LTC and up and I had to be in their office at 0700 and ready for the day . That was the best 3 yrs as I never did PT are Formation's if I wanted to know what was going on I would ask my 1st Sarg. other than that I never showed up .
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CPL Gary Dishman
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Suck it up as I have been out at a concert half drunk and we had to be up at 0530 for PT and we had only get if we was luck 10 minutes and most days we never made it all the way through PT . And when I was in Desert Storm I worked from 1800 til 0600 and then I had 4 hours of guard duty and then I had to drive as I was a mechanic and I drove the company 20 ton wrecker and most days I made it back and most day's we didn't . So suck it up are ETS and I sucked it up and did 20 and if you can't handle the heat then get out of the kitchen and your lucky to work inside as I was an Army Engineer Heavy and we was the one's they called when things needed to be destroyed .
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SFC Senior Human Resources Nco (S1)
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Do I believe you should receive a "late call," yes. Are you entitled to one, absolutely not.

But really, I can't believe a SPC in the same Army as me even has the temerity to bring this question here.

If anything, you should talk to your FLL, and see if they can run it up the chain that SM's working late night or overnight, should receive a "late call."

It sounds like the new leadership there may be trying to flex a little, to get your unit to toe the line.
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The enemy doesn't care how much sleep you've had. Suck it up, butter cup.
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PO2 here. I serve, I also work for the government....so yes, I am in my lane.
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SSgt Baptist. Not offended in the least. I know who I am, what I do, and who I represent. The majority of my time is taken up by my civilian occupation, so I choose to list that. I do stand by my original comment, however. Suck it up. The enemy has no compassion, and neither should we. No excuses.
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SSG Charles McDermott
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Deal with it
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SPC Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
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Omg I take it your a nasty leg ? Shit i I used to to party and would barely make it to formation but I still did pt still drunk off my ass ass and I mighta puked BUT I NEVER QUIT JESUSCHRIST I bitched but never quit and if top said to be in formation at 600 then you were there! And god help you if you were late cuz top woulda kicked your ass all over the place what the hell would you do if you were in combat tell abdula to hold on while you get some more sleep? Do your goddamn job and do what your ordered to do or get the fuck out I can’t believe what the army is letting in now days what a pussy Spec 4 ets Haas 2bn 2/508th ABN INF 82nd AIRBORNE DIVISION
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SSG Human Intelligence Collector
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You need to problem solve here. You need to change when you sleep. You can sleep from 0700 to 1430 and get 7.5 hours of sleep.

Problem solved.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
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Good thing everything is open from 0001 - 0400. I know I take care of everything between those hours because every business I need to access is open during those times. She is lucky, it works out for her. She can sleep when everything is closed and get stuff done while it's open.
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TSgt Peter Thibault
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Even in the Air Force we had to do things like this. It’s part of military life. I once worked an 1800 to 0230 shift and was required to attend pt in the morning at 0500. That was the only session offered and it was mandatory to attend. Granted I was single at the time and didn’t have any home obligations, I had to prioritize everything else around those two mandatory events (work and pt). Now I’m retired from the military, am married, have three small children, and have spend 11 hours a day driving to and from work and working. I wish I could get 6 hours a night. It’s all relative.
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PO2 Hospital Corpsman
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HM2. I spent time on the blue side and time on the green side. Green was pretty cool but very rigorous PTing with Marines and proving that “Doc could hang.”
Blue side often involved long hours In the hospital and late night duty etc. but we had incredibly good Navy chow , Pizzas and lots of beer in our off hours. Plus we got to sleep in warm beds with clean sheets and then hot showers. So a few of us Corpsman started looking a bit soft.
A similar concern may also be involved in your command’s decision to go apeshit over PT. Just sayin’
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SP5 James Pospisil
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Suck it up Buttercup and show up and while youre at it quit your damn whining.
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SP5 James Pospisil
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Suck it up Buttercup and show up. Quit your pansy ass whining.
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SFC Terry Weller
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The military can’t please everyone non should they try. This isn’t the civilian world. Suck it up be a all you can be and have fun with the PT.
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CW3 Dan Mackey
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Just get up and do your PT and go back to bed. Don't make a big deal of it and you will get used to it.
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MSgt Bruce Hutchinson
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I know that I was in a different situation but when I was last deployed, I worked 0600-1800 six days a week. I would get up at 0330 do personal pt, shit shower shave, eat breakfast then head to work. I would then get off, more personal pt., eat then have personal time until about 2130 when I hit my rack and sleep. That my friend was my late 40s.
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