Posted on Jun 30, 2017
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CPT Signal Officer
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You said you had your first APFT a few weeks ago and another coming up soon? It sounds like one or both may be diagnostics, and you can only be chaptered for two consecutive Record failures. The minimum required time between record APFTs is four months unless TRADOC has some specific regulation that allows it. If they are both records, the company will have the Chapter process down pat; but they may just put you in a holdover status- don't let that happen. Being a holdover is miserable.

More importantly, why are you struggling? If its an injury, that should be addressed. If not, it really depends on how bad you want it.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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CPT (Join to see) "You said you had your first APFT a few weeks ago and another coming up soon? It sounds like one or both may be diagnostics, and you can only be chaptered for two consecutive Record failures. "
Sir while that is mostly correct for an SM that is in a regular unit, Trainees are a different story.
TRADOC has specific requirements for those in training and it very s by the school, Basic, AIT, OUST, NCOES, WOC..ect.
It reads like the poster is in AIT at Fort Gordan, if yes, then there are specific guidance and requirement for passing her APFT while in school and before graduation.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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That really depends on your chain of command. As a training NCO I used to be the guy that chartered people for various reasons and each one of them comes with their own process. For something like APFT failure, it could be started the day you fail and finished within a couple weeks or they can drag it out. It really just depends. They can also retain you if they felt so inclined. Even though regulation states that they can give you the boot, if they felt like it they could enroll you in the "fat kid" program and just try to get your PT up to an acceptable score.
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SPC(P) Signal Support Systems Specialist
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You’re not getting chaptered, I’ve seen someone fail it 13 times, you’re just gonna keep taking it till you pass, you fulfilling that contract.. lol
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MAJ Raymond Haynes
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All right guys, get your flame throwers ready...... Private, soldiers like you make me sick. I looked at your profile and your just a kid. You are going to stand there and whine about failing the APFT and have already planned to fail the next. Someone your age should pass it in your sleep. Have some pride in yourself. It sounds to me that the reality of military service has fried your delicate existence and now you want to quit. The Army does not have a draft, you asked to join, and the government has spent more money than you realize to try to train their investment. If you are trying to get out by being a physical example of 100 lbs. of chewed bubble gum, than good, I don't want you in my Army. But do realize this Private failure, you are not fooling anyone. only yourself. When your back on the block and your little friends ask what you learned from the military, at least have the guts to tell the truth. They thought me how to be a failure. You have some serious decisions to make about what road you choose to take that will follow you the rest of your life. If you so choose to take the road of a failure and a quitter, when you get home and mommy and daddy give you a big hug and tell you that its OK because you tried your hardest, realize what they say rings truer than you realize.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Damn Lady- 1st worry should be about PASSING the AFPT, not worrying about a chapter. Failure should never be an option. You should be working out 2x a day on your shortcomings. By the way that (P) isn't going to happen if you fail, that is a given. Chapters can take weeks normally.
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SSG Diane R.
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Robyn,

You need to do everything you can to pass its next test. Reach out to your squad leader or platoon Sergeant for help. Don't give up, you can do it. It's a mind over matter thing, and morale is half the battle.
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You are seriously focusing on the wrong thing. You need to be focusing on PASSING your APFT. Your command team should have flagged you the day you failed and then youll have a retest 30 days, you have to pass an APFT with in a 90 period. this should have all been briefed to you during your counseling for APFT Failure.
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SGT Michael May
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First and foremost, you need to think positive and work on the exercises that you struggle with. Ask a friend to help you or speak with your squad leader /section leader to help you in those areas.
Giving up is easy to do, regets last a lifetime. Never leave a what if, or a if only l, on the table. When you look back at your life you want to know that you never gave in to pressure, and never be willing to accept failure, it's only another opportunity for you to succeed. Whoa!
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Edited 8 y ago
I don't understand, your profile says you are a trainee. Are you an RSP recruit or perhaps in AIT?

If so, there is always time to pass your APFT (especially if you are in RSP). You shouldn't be thinking about when you will get kicked out. Are you willing to tell us what events you are struggling with? I am sure there are plenty of people on here who can help you with good advice if you let them.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
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What you need to do is ask yourself if you have the burning desire to soldier and succeed. Asking defeatist questions is not the path. But if you don't want to do everything you can do to soldier in my beloved army. By all means piss off. Now, if you are serious you will get to work. Work on your poorest performance 1st but all of it is required. I had buggy whip arms so push-ups were my challenge. But I kept at it and eventually got to where I could do 50 at a time. But your biggest challenge is not the physical part it's that attitude. And I know you are capable because people saw excellence in you.e in you, or you would not be soldiering today So, you need to see it in yourself. I want you to write an action plan. write down why you became a soldier what your major obstacles are for being the soldier you want to be are and then the steps and effort you will take to achieve it. If you follow that plan and read it to yourself out loud once in the morning and once before bed until it is a mantra you will succeed. Now, get busy. You can do this.
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Personally, if you failed your APFT today, you should be out tomorrow. You swore an oath to defend your nation. One of the many implied tasks is that you remain physically fit to do so. That said, you have to fail a second APFT to start the chapter process. If your chain of command really pushes it, you could be out in less than six months.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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Unless you truly want to be chaptered out of the Army, then I would suggest you get that notion out of your thought process. Failing a Record and failing a Diagnostic has two different paths. Failing a Diagnostic, you will be counselled on your failure and placed in the units Remedial PRT program. You will remain in that program until you pass your next Record APFT (or however your unit has the Remedial program set up). If you fail a Record, then all of the previous is in effect except that the 12 month clock starts (where if you fail 2 records within a 12 month period then chapter is then initiated). You should not be given another Record immediately following the initial failure unless you stress that you want it a Record and can state with certainty that you can pass it. Usually 90 days is the standard before another Record is administered by the unit.

But, to answer your question, there is no real defined time frame as to how long it takes for a APFT Chapter to run. I had asked this question at the Company Commander/1SG Course, and the answer given to me by one of the civilian assistants to the USARC G1 is that it could be as little as 2.5 months to 14 months.
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SPC Unit Supply Specialist
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Lol there isn't. You will keep retaking that until u get somewhere
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