Posted on Feb 15, 2023
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My PSG told me today that I can finish my leave bit I need to be prepared to face the music when I get back. My leave ends after the 4 day this weekend.

What can I expect? I'm in an INSCOM unit and my job is in high demand. I know I messed up big time and am prepared to accept the punishment but will it end my career?
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SSG Douglas Shaffer
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It's all going to rest on your command, if your act is all together when you're at your unit meaning you're not a screw-up and your work performance is above standards, then you may have a chance. We had one of our NCO get a DUI on TDY while in another country, his work and performance was above standards. The command said if he can settle this on his own, they will just look the other way. It cost him a lot of money to handle it and his leave time for him to travel back and forth, the lawyer managed to get to just pay fines and no jail time. So yes, he managed to settle this without interference to his work. The command didn't say a thing after that.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
SFC Jerald Bottcher
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A lot of local commands are required to take action. Especially if you are at a post or unit that has a high DWI problem. Add to the fact that he is an NCO, doubly bad
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Maj Jarrod Graham
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It has been a while since I have had anyone in a battalion level office hours (Article 15 for Soldiers). Usually it was at least 1 rank (I have seen a Marine selected for Staff Sergeant leave as a Corporal), 40 days restriction and EPD, and sometimes 1/2 pay. It depends on how close to reenlistment, and how bad overall retention is on not being able to continue in service.
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SPC Steven Nihipali
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Being frank like I usually am in these kinds of questions...

Here's my lashing: how fucking stupid are you?
Seriously...r u 5 and need me u hold your fucking hand? With all these shitbags in the your unit, your couldn't ask a single one to drive or call a cab that's free or even pay the uber? You cheap sake pos... yes, you're PSG is going to fuck your life up... ending your career, maybe, after this, you might wish your mother swallowed you.

Reality? No you'll be fine. Pay the fine, sign anything that will declare you'll for the next while, a designated driver or will be for the commander. Volunteer for a defensive driving course, etc...

But here's what you're going to do: don't drink, simple as that. I survived 7 years and never once did a bottle or drip ever cross my lips... still don't nor will I. Simple as that
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SSG Patrick O'Flaherty
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Seems like my comment is erased.
So here it is again.
Tell your command because of General Milley's disgraceful decisions on Afghanistan your morale has taken a beating and you don't understand how 13 service members were murdered under his command.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
SFC Jerald Bottcher
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Yeah that won't fly. That is merely trying to place the blame for your problems on someone else. I do not know of a single command that I was in that would listen to that for more than 2 seconds, then max you out because you do not have the integrity to take responsibility for your own actions
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SSG Patrick O'Flaherty
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I hate to be flip here but maybe you could get a lawyer to present your case and explain that because of senior army leadership (like Milley) getting troops mindlessly murdered and abandoning two air bases while at the same time arming an Islamic country with our best weapons has depressed you terribly. That's the reason you were drinking.
Furthermore, you hope army leadership can improve because you want to stay in the Army.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
SFC Jerald Bottcher
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As I said in the above post. Yeah that won't fly. That is merely trying to place the blame for your problems on someone else. I do not know of a single command that I was in that would listen to that for more than 2 seconds, then max you out because you do not have the integrity to take responsibility for your own actions
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MSG Clay Jensen
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I got one in an NCO course (BNCOC) and it didn’t show up on the blotter since I was out of town when it happened. “The Army” wasn’t notified. I got prescribed “quarters” on my court date. Went to sick call at 6 and to court at 10. I made E-8 in under 12 years because I didn’t snitch on myself. It’s a risk that can be a killer, but I took it. And it worked.
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CPT Larry Hudson
CPT Larry Hudson
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Congratulations
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Maj A. Clark
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The military is not your only problem. The civil justice system is much more hazardous.
Hopefully you did not plead guilty already. Or make incriminating statements. You need to hire an attorney immediately. Do not talk yourself out of it because of the cost....... A DWI can screw up your life for decades....... There is a chance that you can have the charge reduced, particularly if the DA and or Judge thinks that the military will be slamming you. Unless you end up with an anti-military-woke judge. That would not be so great.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
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Sorry to say this, but you will be getting a Field Grade Article 15. You will most likely lose rank and pay. I remember back in the day (1980's) you could get a suspended bust. Those days are over a long time ago. Your only hope is to get a good defense attorney and try to get the charges reduced to anything. However. the BAC test that was done by the sheriff is admissible in the military system. So even if you get the charge reduced it is not a get out of trouble card. If you have been a "super Soldier" you "may" recover. You will not see E-7.
A former commander I had when asked about a soldier being brought up for a drug / DUI offence. If someone in the chain of command were to say. Sgt Smith is a good soldier. He would respond - Good Soldiers do not do drugs or get DUI's and then max the soldier out.
Whenever I went out drinking we had a designated driver. or if not everyone I knew had a $20 bill folded up hidden in our wallets to use to get a cab. I NEVER, EVER GOT A DUI. There are no excuses.
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
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So... this is going to sound horrible......
SGT John Wyatt

I have worked a lot in mental health. I was the "pecker checker" for a long time in the Army.

Is it ok to drink, get drunk, smoke pot. I say sure have at it. All in all the Libertarian side of me, anti Army part of me wants to side with you.

The problem is, I was in the army, an aviator, a combat engineer. A paratrooper.

I started having a drinking problem when in the AA (1/17 air cav).

I asked for help. No DUI whatever.

I was hurt badly years and years later I was starting to become addicted to opiates while recovering. I asked for help.

I left the Army 50% disabled. I never one time got brought up on charges.
I was sober anytime life or duty required it.

You could have killed an innocent person the night of your DUI,"It was not the first time you drove intoxicated, but the one you were caught.

I hope they throw you out of the Army on a chapter discharge. No need for taking your benefits.
Yes take your rank, UCMJ, all must follow.

I hope you are out of the Army as fast as possible. I or no one else can trust you now. If you are not trustworthy, there is no place for you in the military, aviation or medical professions for sure.

Oh ya BTW. I got hit by a drunk driver once, and also a drunk driver drove through the living room of my home.

While I don't hate you. I hope what they do to you teaches you to never touch a drop ever again.

Thank you for your service, get out of my military. Hopefully with a general discharge or a medical.

The fact you are a SGt and did not ask for help, that is embarrassing. I am glad they will tak your rank, you betrayed the NCOs. You could have just asked for help.
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MSgt J D McKee
MSgt J D McKee
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Maybe things have changed, I retired about 27 years ago, but I feel that even now, if everyone in the military were caught for DUI every time they do DUI, we wouldn't have much of a military left.

Also, there is very much an unequal standard that is applied. One CO might take your attitude, another, mine. This has always been the case and I don't believe it has changed. The same goes for civilian prosecutors, of course.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
SFC Jerald Bottcher
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I agree. How many times have we all been told not to drink and drive? How many time have we been told of the consequences? Yet you still drank and drove. I have never heard of someone getting a DUI for their only time they ever drove drunk. It may be the 1st time they got caught.
I knew of one guys who as an E-6 (Promotable to E-7) got a DUI and somehow got a suspended bust and got promoted to E-7 (this was in 1988) You know what he did? Well what he did not do was he did not learn from his mistake, got another DUI about a uear later. This time he caught a Courts Martial and was kicked out as an e-1. lost all of his benefits. Some might have felt sorry for him. but the SGM told him that he has been all he could be, get out of my army
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
SGT(P) Jody Hall
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RIght exactly. With all the drinking I did I always followed the #1 rule. If you don't drink, don't drive. Its not complicated. It took effort! I did my get trashed at home not at the club. When out at the club/bar, you have a DD or call a friend or cab, or the SDNCO. Again not hard.
Becoming a binge drinker was hard enough. Smart enough to NOT add to the problem.
Just plan ahead, or drink where you live and not go out if you can't.
To easy to kill someone if you DUI.
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