Posted on Jul 22, 2016
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He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
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SFC Ncoic
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This one is easy. He Being 11B there is not a lot of money being spent on his AIT or high security clearance. We do not want people on our teams that do not want to be there. Simple. I would assist him to make the transfer for the good of the Unit and himself. There are plenty of people that want to be where he is. Failing PT closes more doors.
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PFC Brock Hanna
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Not a guy I would want watching my back.
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SFC Recruiter
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tell your friend to quit being a pussy bitch and do his commitment like everyone else
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Carlos Sanchez Sr.
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Give him a Dishonorable Discharge and begone with him!!!
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CSM Felipe Mendez
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The army revise such policy years ago. Consientious objector is the only way he can get out under honorable discharge. Unless it has change again, he is out of luck
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Cpl Rifleman
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Very sad, grunts do not need boys like your friend. We need MEN.
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SPC Roger Giffen
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The young man signed a contract. I would not want him in my unit if his word means nothing.
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SPC Ken Gunnett
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They should let him fail, then task every member of his Latino with giving him extra PT until he gets with the program.
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SGT James Paige
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How long is his contract? I would not fail a PT test. That will not do anything. He might get kicked out and then the reserves will not take him. And don't go AWOL either. Because they will put you out for sure and screw up his education and any VA benefits. The GI BILL and VA benefits are worth staying in for.
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MSgt Operations Intelligence
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I had something similar happen in the Air Force. This person failed his PT test. He received a letter of Counseling and began his remedial PT. He was tested again and failed. He received a letter of Reprimand and continued his remedial PT. He tested again and failed a third time. He was discharged with a General Discharge. All during this time I informed him that if received anything other than a Honorable discharge he could lose benefits like the GI Bill and could impact his future employment opportunities . He did not want to listen and he did end up losing his GI Bill and some other benefits. I would highly recommend to that you tell your friend not to go down this road. It will end up causing him/her more problems later in life.
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PFC Jim Wheeler
PFC Jim Wheeler
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That surprises me MSgt, was there anything else on his military record (disciplinary action of any kind)?


This is straight from AR 635-200 Chapter 13 (Separation for Unsatisfactory Performance)

"5. TYPE OF DISCHARGE : Soldiers separated under this program will generally be given either an honorable discharge or a general under honorable conditions discharge (Para. 13-10, AR 635-200).
a. HONORABLE: This is a separation with honor. An honorable discharge will be given for proper military behavior and proficient performance of duty. If the soldier has served faithfully and performed to the best of his ability, and there is no derogatory information in his military record, he should receive an honorable discharge. If there arc infractions of discipline, the seriousness and frequency will be evaluated. When there is a doubt, it should be resolved in favor of an honorable discharge. An honorable discharge is required if the government introduces limited use evidence (see Para. 3-8 (a) and (g), AR 635-200).
b. GENERAL: This is a discharge under honorable conditions, soldier whose record and performance is satisfactory. This is usually given to someone who had non-judicial punishments (Article 15s), but not for serious infractions. When this type of discharge is given, the commander must state the specific basis for it.
c. UNDER OTHER THAN HONORABLE CONDITIONS: This is a discharge issue ordinarily for misconduct, fraudulent entry, security reasons, or for the good of the service. This discharge carries considerable stigma and deprives the soldier of substantially all veteran’s benefits accrued during the enlistment period. This type of discharge is usually not given under Chapter 13. "
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PFC Jim Wheeler
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2LT Jay C. - I know they all have their own regs Sir, just a little shocked that they would be so different is all.
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MSgt Operations Intelligence
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He did not have anything else on his record. The time frame I was in, the Air Force was very hard on PT failures.
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SFC John Hill
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First of all he signed a contract. If he fails to meet his commitments, and is chaptered out, what it says on his DD-214 will follow him for the rest of his life. Most job application forms will ask “Have you ever been in the military? If yes, include copy of DD-214."
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Capt Chris McVeigh
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Screw that. If he plans to intentionally fail a PT test why would we want to enable him at all?
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So, I would recommend that your buddy complete his 3 years and 22 weeks of his RA contract. Then when it's time to reenlist he can tell his career counselor that he wants to serve in the AR for the last 4 years and 30 weeks of his contract.
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CPT Pedro Meza
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If he fails PT he also fails the Reserves to tell him that if he is going to play that route, then he is in fit to serve all.
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SPC(P) Information Security (Is) Analyst
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It's not that he can't pass, he said he would purposely fail one... I disagree with it
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CPT Pedro Meza
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SPC(P) (Join to see) - That is what I meant, that when a soldiers purposely fails to get his way, is not fit to serve, because that the willful decision is selfish and that will happen in other situations, worst when deployed.
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MSG Mechanic 2nd
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yes its possible but the route suggested is not
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