Posted on Jul 22, 2016
I have a buddy who recently joined AD and wants to switch to reserves. Is this possible?
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He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
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There is no Chap 22 - I regret my personal decision, separation in AR635-200
Your buddy is in for his term of service that he signed a contract for unless involuntarily separated.
But I gotta tell you, in most future employers (or reserve commander) eyes, anyone who fails on purpose because they dont like a temporary situation they made for themselves is not worth thier time, effort, loyalty or financial compensation.
He made a decision (enlisted for a chosen MOS), its not fatal, and its not permanent.. finish the term of service he signed a contract for and move on, lesson learned.
Your buddy is in for his term of service that he signed a contract for unless involuntarily separated.
But I gotta tell you, in most future employers (or reserve commander) eyes, anyone who fails on purpose because they dont like a temporary situation they made for themselves is not worth thier time, effort, loyalty or financial compensation.
He made a decision (enlisted for a chosen MOS), its not fatal, and its not permanent.. finish the term of service he signed a contract for and move on, lesson learned.
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SFC David Xanten
SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres - Actually I spent two years teaching NCO's at the 7th Army NCO Academy from 69-71. It was a very rewarding assignment because we taught NCO's from E-5 to E-7 the skills required to motivate their men/women to be better soldiers. We also taught the NCO's what it took to be better, so that they could become better leaders. Good leaders find a way to get the job done regardless of the obstacles.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC David Xanten - Good leaders find a way to get the job done regardless of the obstacles.
Good leaders are able to objectively evaluate each Soldier, able to discern when they have reached thier limitations in mental or physical capabilities and employ them within those limits. A good leader will do all they can with what they are given, but it is a poor leader that falls for the ill conceived book answer that it is always the leader's fault if the student does not, can not, is unwilling to learn, unable to retain, cognitively unable to understand, physically limited in ability.
Life is not a book, or a NCO academy motto... real Soldiers do not always fit a ideal concept. There is also the very real limitation of physical time and resources. It is a poor leader that wastes precious amounts of both on a SINGLE soldier ignoring the duties and obligations of the unit. The Military is not for everyone, forcing a bad position because the leader has unrealistic mindset they are a failure if a single SM is deemed unwilling, unable or both. There is good reason we have involuntary separations, for the better of the unit and thus the Military and the Nation.
SFC David Xanten It is commendable to go into every situation, or approach every soldier in "I'll find a way" mentality.. So credit to you where credit is due.
But it is just as commendable for a leader to recognize when, winning the battle is a lose for the war.
Good leaders are able to objectively evaluate each Soldier, able to discern when they have reached thier limitations in mental or physical capabilities and employ them within those limits. A good leader will do all they can with what they are given, but it is a poor leader that falls for the ill conceived book answer that it is always the leader's fault if the student does not, can not, is unwilling to learn, unable to retain, cognitively unable to understand, physically limited in ability.
Life is not a book, or a NCO academy motto... real Soldiers do not always fit a ideal concept. There is also the very real limitation of physical time and resources. It is a poor leader that wastes precious amounts of both on a SINGLE soldier ignoring the duties and obligations of the unit. The Military is not for everyone, forcing a bad position because the leader has unrealistic mindset they are a failure if a single SM is deemed unwilling, unable or both. There is good reason we have involuntary separations, for the better of the unit and thus the Military and the Nation.
SFC David Xanten It is commendable to go into every situation, or approach every soldier in "I'll find a way" mentality.. So credit to you where credit is due.
But it is just as commendable for a leader to recognize when, winning the battle is a lose for the war.
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SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres
SGM Erik Marquez - He clearly doesn't get this. I wouldn't waste time trying to teach him how me and you think... he refuses to acknowledge where we are coming from....
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SFC David Xanten
We come from different times, I was in during the draft and when the Army became All Volunteer. The times may have changed but the NCO Corps is still the backbone of the Army. That being said, it is hard for me to understand how giving up on someone is acceptable to anyone. I would think that during training is the time to weed out the undesirables and not after being sent to a duty station. Not everyone performs up to the standards of some, but they should be given the chance to learn or be transferred to another unit or job.
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If he is chaptered out due to APFT failure, the reserves are not going to touch him.
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Well I would like to side with the recruiter however he is already 7 months into his contract and passed the window for his recruiter to have any influence on him....
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There are plenty of people walking around the Army that are overweight and fail multiple PT tests.
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Col Dona Marie Iversen - I'm in the army reserve, spent a few years on active. The standard is the same on paper, but I've been in 3 reserve units over 9 years and I've not seen one take PT serious, most just pencil in a score. I've been giving the same soldiers a PT test every month for nine months now and they still continue to fail. I ask my chain of command why we aren't maintaining the standards and chaptering these soldiers out. They blow me off, so most reserve units will take anyone as long as you have a pulse
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Col Dona Marie Iversen
SGT Calloway,
Delayed response, gave up the computer for a 4 day getaway...
Early on when PT first became a requirement I would agree with you.
But in all my assignments, we were all held accountable 100%. We even had leadership from other squadrons or units on base 'test' us to avoid favoritism. If the third time was not a 'charm' one received their walking papers.
We were forbidden to fly, deploy and participate in exercises etc if we did not have a valid passing score.
Respectfully disagree with the last sentence: "they blow me off, so most reserve units will take anyone as long as you have a pulse"
As with AD, Guard, Reserve and civilian employment, adherence to rules, regulations , all depends on leadership.
Delayed response, gave up the computer for a 4 day getaway...
Early on when PT first became a requirement I would agree with you.
But in all my assignments, we were all held accountable 100%. We even had leadership from other squadrons or units on base 'test' us to avoid favoritism. If the third time was not a 'charm' one received their walking papers.
We were forbidden to fly, deploy and participate in exercises etc if we did not have a valid passing score.
Respectfully disagree with the last sentence: "they blow me off, so most reserve units will take anyone as long as you have a pulse"
As with AD, Guard, Reserve and civilian employment, adherence to rules, regulations , all depends on leadership.
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Anyone willing to tank their APFT because they want something better isn't exactly living the Army Values; and as an NCO in the Reserves, that's not the kind of "soldier" I want to deal with.
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SGT Dave Tracy - I prefer the extra duty bit. I know it's 100 degrees and we been working out here all day, but someone needs to watch the ammo.. Congrats dipstick you earned it.
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never a good idea to just flunk a PT test - getting flagged and eventually getting booted does not make for any reserves or guard to want you there either. You should really consider what you are doing. This is your life right now; do you know what the Army Values are? Integrity is a big one and failing a PT test is a testament to your integrity. Don't do it!!
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