Posted on Jan 25, 2020
I have a soldier with an ETS date is in 20 days, and the command wants to give him a PT test. Does the soldier have to do it/pass or fail?
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The Soldier should have already taken his final VA physical and is not authorized to take a PT test once that has been executed due to potential injury.
However, if he wants an ETS award I have seen Soldiers need to have a record test within 6 months of ETS award submission and many get into this issue
It seems illogical for any unit to levy such a requirement so I am sure there is more to the story. The Soldier should already be on PTDY and Terminal Leave anyways so there are some red flags here but every story is complexed and unique.
However, if he wants an ETS award I have seen Soldiers need to have a record test within 6 months of ETS award submission and many get into this issue
It seems illogical for any unit to levy such a requirement so I am sure there is more to the story. The Soldier should already be on PTDY and Terminal Leave anyways so there are some red flags here but every story is complexed and unique.
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SFC William Linnell
It's always unfortunately been a disdain upon which Soldiers have been treated in order to receive PCS and ETS awards. I could never understand the pettiness in the thought process of certain leaders, NCO's and Officers alike. Acting like they are giving away something that is from their own person collection. I just can't put it to words exactly.
So this Soldiers COC, going off a statement above which does seem plausible would try to hold back the PCS award because of not taking the PT test. If true, the pathetic mindset seems to never go away.
So this Soldiers COC, going off a statement above which does seem plausible would try to hold back the PCS award because of not taking the PT test. If true, the pathetic mindset seems to never go away.
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SGM Erik Marquez - SGM this is not a matter of regulations this is common sense. If you have never seen someone get hurt days before ETS I do and the problem that is formed is not at all beautiful. Everything stops and the SM has to re-start the whole process after recovering, this can take months or more than a year. There is no regulation that says he can't take the APFT, it's just about avoiding problems for everyone.
End of the day, he is in the army, on the Alpha roster until ETS.
So yes he has to
As to why they want him to, I can only assume stats.
So yes he has to
As to why they want him to, I can only assume stats.
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CSM John Mead
I've never seen anything about no more physical anything after an ETS or separation physical. Generally, I see no reason that would prohibit a soldier from falling out for PT with his unit. Typical clearing takes place with start of the Duty Day, which is generally between 0800 and 0830. That means that he has plenty of time to do PT, get cleaned up and start clearing. Perhaps, things are done differently in SF, like getting out of bed or walking to chow. I don't personally see you believing in this story.
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SGM Erik Marquez
CSM Scott Stewart - "CSM Scott Stewart 4 mo
If the soldier has already taken his ETS physical there is no more physical anything anymore for him except for getting out of bed or walking to chow."
Can you support your opinion with a regulation cite? Or is that just how you did it, wanted it? Which I'm not saying is right or wrong, just not what I was talking about, which is, there is no regulation I have found, which was the question asked....that states all physical activity but "getting out of bed or walking to chow." is allowed post ETS physical .. IOW, your making it up or following local unit policy, which again is not right or wrong, just not Army regulation.
If the soldier has already taken his ETS physical there is no more physical anything anymore for him except for getting out of bed or walking to chow."
Can you support your opinion with a regulation cite? Or is that just how you did it, wanted it? Which I'm not saying is right or wrong, just not what I was talking about, which is, there is no regulation I have found, which was the question asked....that states all physical activity but "getting out of bed or walking to chow." is allowed post ETS physical .. IOW, your making it up or following local unit policy, which again is not right or wrong, just not Army regulation.
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Per AR 40-501 "There are no limitations placed upon Soldiers or commanders after a Phase 2 physical has been completed unless the Soldier has a profile with limitations that clearly and thoroughly outline those limitations. Soldiers are required to continue to participate in PT. In addition to PT, Soldiers can also continue to participate in unit training activities. The decision whether a Soldier participates, or does not participate in unit training activities, rests solely with the commander." Also After their Phase 2 physical, Soldiers are still required to be able to pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and meet the requirements of Army Regulation 600-9 until they are discharged from the Army.
and in accordance with AR 601-210, if a Soldier has not completed their eight-year total commitment, they are required to meet these standards even after leaving the active Army, since they can be recalled to active duty at any time within their period of obligation.
and in accordance with AR 601-210, if a Soldier has not completed their eight-year total commitment, they are required to meet these standards even after leaving the active Army, since they can be recalled to active duty at any time within their period of obligation.
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I'd rather hear someone quote a regulation rather than just say "that's the way it has always been" or "that's just the way it is". What's even worse than those two things is when they're trying to implement something new (the acft for example) and they're just making things up on the fly and no one is on the same page.
That being said, the ambiguity of regulations and leaving things to "commander's discretion" pisses me off more than anything. From base to base, or even from unit to unit on the same base, there tends to be a lack of consistency when things are left to interpretation or commander's discretion.
That being said, the ambiguity of regulations and leaving things to "commander's discretion" pisses me off more than anything. From base to base, or even from unit to unit on the same base, there tends to be a lack of consistency when things are left to interpretation or commander's discretion.
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CSM John Mead
SSG Robert Webster - He has no point other than he's just a dick pulling at your chain. What a sorry excuse for a retired Marine.
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SFC Joseph Behmke
Most if not all CONUS posts have a Transition Point now. When you get your PCS, ETS or Retirement orders, you're Attached to it your last 5-20 "Working Days" according to what your doing and how much and what type Interim Leave your entitled to.
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And which AR prevents you from having a little common sense and using your brain from time to time.
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Yes, the Soldier still in the Army. However, a little bit of logic dictates otherwise. It's up to the commander. The issue at hand is that s/he still in the unit's books and counts towards the unit’s readiness statistics. But you could talk thru your NCO Support channel to get him/her off the hook and make him some sort of detail during the event. Like water boy?
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I was medically discharged and my unit had me on the PT test list. I had a boot on. I looked at my Platoon Sergeant and then at my boot. And he looked back at me and said “yeah this is dumb” and walked away.
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After returning from Korea and reporting to my new duty station,the CO told me to go through the barracks and tell those that need a haircut to go get one. The only soldiers left were those that were very short and recently returned from overseas.All others were on maneuvers.Never figured if the CO was testing me or wanted to see me get my ass whipped.Same for the jerk that wants the soldier to take a PT test.
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I agree, sounds like someone is trying is trying to make some type of point or maybe jealous for some reason. This action could surely backfire and have negative impact up the chain of command.
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If it were up to me I wouldn’t If a regularly scheduled PT test occurred within that 20 day window I would have him/her be a grader instead of having them take it
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SFC Joseph Behmke
There is a good use of common sense. Now if he was directly ordered to take the test, he should show up do 11-14 reps of each event and calmly walk the entire track event as to preclude any UCMJ action for disobeying a direct order. He has to show up, he doesn't have to pass. Besides the rest of the unit has to stay there and wait for him to complete the run event before they can leave. Cdr will catch hell for all that wasted time and loss of resources.
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The whole command is crazy, the soldier is clearly a loss, so what's the point?
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thank you everyone for the comments. the soldier did not do the test he was set free.
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