Posted on Jan 25, 2020
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SSG Eric Blue
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Sounds like soldier harassment to me. Reading the other comments posted, it looks like the senior NCOs have already answered this question well. I've experienced this too many times during my time in service, being one of the NCOs tasked to grade or record the soldier. I'd remind my leadership that with (insert soldier's name and rank here) being listed as an upcoming loss to the unit that their score will not count towards the unit average and that the soldier's PCS/ETS date could be pushed back if the soldier gets hurt during the APFT...which would end up costing the Army more money. The response I'd usually receive is, "Shut the f--- up, SGT Blue and do what the f--- I said! AIRBORNE?!?"
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SSG Michael Struppa
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Free my boi! No test!!!
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SGT Rafael Morales
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If you shove a PT test down his throat, you lost a possible reenlistment or a career reservist. Nothing worse than leaving with a bad taste in your mouth. Every veteran is a potential recruiter. I have counseled many young people who wanted to know about enlisting from a veteran. Remember that.
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SSG Eric Blue
SSG Eric Blue
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Also very true. But it depends on the soldier, too. I got screwed over HARD by my command for re-enlistment. I did everything I knew to do to be eligible, but I kept getting, "You have to re-up to get promoted & you have to get promoted to re-up." So I had to ETS, but I didn't want to hang it up yet. So I found a reserve unit about 2 hours from my house that was willing to take me on and help me reclass. I could have let my active unit's attitude keep me from it, but I chose to go the other way.
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SFC David S
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I had a 1SG that hated two of my soldiers and he made it his lifes mission to ensure they ets without an award. I managed to sneak one through S1 and got an award for soldier NO1, I went on leave and while I was gone he put out my NO2 soldier without an award. He actually changed his ets to get him out before I returned. they were both smart, loyal and hard workers, they were not in compliance with weight(getting out soon made them eat the foods they missed). so what, they served their country and deserved and award. The 1SG was wrong. period...
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SSG Eric Blue
SSG Eric Blue
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That's crap, battle! But I've seen it happen a lot when I was assigned to Fort Wainwright, Alaska & Camp Hovey, South Korea. When I had the opportunity, I made sure that soldiers got what they deserved. And yes, it was tough.
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SFC David S
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SSG Eric Blue - I was on camp casey in 95, 2nd Tank HUYA, did we run into each other???
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SSG Eric Blue
SSG Eric Blue
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Definitely not, then. I was there 2013 to 2014. I was a Fire Support NCO for HHC BDE, then a Fire Support NCO for 72nd Armor.
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SSG Danny Anderson
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Why? He's gone in 20 days. Once he's had his final physical, he no longer has to do PT unless he wants to. He should be at 1st formation for accountability and after that his focus should be on finaling out and looking employment elsewhere. He should be checking in with his first line supervisor through out the day for accountability. If the command already approved his discharge papers he can refuse not to take the PT test or participate in any type of training. What command gon do? 4856 him, Kick him out...LOL. He's done
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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Yes, however, there must be something more here, the soldier recently failed and is this a retest. In which case the unit has good reason. To ETS with full benefit one should have maintained military standard.
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I don't think being flagged for an APFT failure really affects anyone's ETS - nor would it affect their VA benefits if they qualify for any.
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SGT Assistant Supply Sergeant
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Has he completed his final physical?
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SGT Horizontal Construction Engineer
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Yes.
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Unfortunately, even with the physical it seems like he still has to participate until entirely out. I would speak to the chain of command being that he may injure himself before exiting.
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SFC Lillie Brown
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If you speak to JAG, they will speak to the command, because that is not common sense
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SGT Lenise Hamilton
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What kind of foolishness is this! if the soldier intends to leave the military and head to the transitional point in 20 days and a wake-up, he does not need any "Dam" PT Test. I've never heard of something so stupid in my life, maybe that Dizzy Cdr. needs to do the PT Test himself, and let's see how he would fare out on that one. The soldier can opt out of that foolishness if he wants to, I know that I would. And don't let that stupid commander starts harassing him with article 15 action. If this be the case and they try to hold him beyond his ETS date for this stupid action, he's going to have to answer to a higher power within the Chain of Command. The solider does have the option to seek counseling from the Inspector General's Office (IG). It sounds like this Cdr. needs to really get a life, and find something more constructive to do within his company, like focusing on the rest of the soldiers to ensure that they are in the readiness mode for anything that may come down through the Chain of Command within a moments notice.
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MSgt Currie C.
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CPL Jarod Depastene
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Best response in the whole thread. Love it.
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SGT Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Tell that soldier to fall out for sick call that day. Then again if he's an expert Sham shield, he'll already know what to do
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