Posted on Apr 29, 2016
I saw a video of a guy videotaping the entrance to a Navy base. What does this do to our security protocols? How do we handle this?
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I understand, and support their 1st amendment right of the press. I know that the Supreme Court has decided that if someone is on a public sidewalk they can film in any direction they want, and that no person or entity has a reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place.
What does this do to our security protocols, and how to we professionally deal with these situations?
What does this do to our security protocols, and how to we professionally deal with these situations?
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The problem is how we construct the base the gate should no be visible from the public space so we don't have this problem.
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SSG (Join to see)
PO2 Robert Aitchison - the Gate does not need to be right at the property line it can be around a bend and a 1/2 mile or so from the property line so that you can see the activities from a public space.
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SrA Matthew Knight
PO2 Robert Aitchison - Whiteman AFB actually has bold white lines painted a certain distance from the gate and it's to my understanding that those are the boundaries that shouldn't be crossed by people who have no reason. The most common case here is the protestors that come out every now and then. Security Forces usually sends out people in riot gear to make sure the protestors aren't affecting traffic or crossing the line. So with that said, it can be assumed that the base owns property up to a certain distance outside the gates. As SSG (Join to see) said, you can build the gate around a curve or come up with other ways to take it out of the line of site.
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that device should of been confiscated and turned into MP's and he should of been reported to police.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Well the MP's couldn't do anything about it, because it's his 1st amendment right. He was on public property, and the supreme court ruled a few years ago (07 I think) that filming anything and everything in public is not a crime. Civilian cops and MP's alike both talked to him, and then left him alone.
So we can't confiscate cameras. That's illegal. So what can we do to mitigate the obvious security risks in spite of the citizens rights?
So we can't confiscate cameras. That's illegal. So what can we do to mitigate the obvious security risks in spite of the citizens rights?
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Capt Seid Waddell
SSG(P) (Join to see), take a close up photo of the individual's face for the MP's and the NCIS.
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maybe MP couldnt do much but maybe they can cooperate with local law enforcement and keep an eye on these people
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MSgt Mark Bucher
It's illegal to confiscate photographic or video equipment when the shooter is on public grounds.
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You CAN'T confiscate photographic or video equipment when the shooter is on public grounds. As a former military photographer, I know all about the law governing what a person can and can't shoot. Dealt with this issue in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, bases all over CONUS.
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No, that is a violation of federal statue. If you see that you must immediately alert Security. You are a guard of the Bases at all times. On ACDU we are all one Depart of Defense.
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There are exceptions::: try filming or photos out side the gates at Area 51... not a good idea.
Not really on subject but there are exceptions to the 1st.. according who is running the "show"!!
Not really on subject but there are exceptions to the 1st.. according who is running the "show"!!
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The basic answer is "It depends." Things to consider: Where is the base located? Is it a regular occurrence for people to photograph the base's entrance? The answers to those questions should influence the extent of the base security's reaction. As a former Navy Security Det OIC, we had SOPs in place to address surveillance/counter-surveillance of entry control points (ECP). As some of the other respondents have already stated, you try to set up your ECP so that a bare minimum of your entry control procedures are visible from a distance.
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LCDR Dave Spurlock
Sir, respects - however - in order to assist your Security Forces I/we always advise out troopers to alert you guys promptly and all you professionals handle things from their. Most bases I've served at, we had Frederal Reservation radaii coverage for the ECPs with Federal Statute violation support. Again I believe we let the Pros handle that hard job. Again, no disrespect intended.
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CAPT (Join to see)
LCDR Dave Spurlock - Dave, no worries. That falls under the "see something, say something" game plan.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
I would like to assume that you meant that as sarcasm, unfortunately it is more likely you just demonstrated your lack of maturity and professionalism - way to keep it classy MSG
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
I'm pretty sure this is a joke. Even if it isn't, most of us understand that this is NOT good sound legal advice.
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