Posted on Jun 17, 2016
I think it's great we are being allowed to roll sleeves again, but we need to do it the way we did BDUs. What do you think?
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Is that a tattoo I see?!?!?!?!?!?............The horror!
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Some of us were around when you could roll your sleeves. It doesn't help. You're still hot as Hades in in a sweat shop. The result of rolling your sleeves is a breeze blocking sleeve. A better solution would be to allow soldiers to make the cuff looser in order to encourage a breeze and air to circulate. The rolled sleeve does not help at all. It just looks neat.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Bingo. downrange, I always kept my sleeves loose and cuffs open as possible. It allowed for circulation.
And I find it mildly ironic that a lot of the same folks who are clamoring to roll sleeves to help with heat, are also the same ones who want to return to strached uniforms......which is clogs up the pores of your uniform making it EVEN MORE hot.....
And I find it mildly ironic that a lot of the same folks who are clamoring to roll sleeves to help with heat, are also the same ones who want to return to strached uniforms......which is clogs up the pores of your uniform making it EVEN MORE hot.....
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Everyone else is able to roll their sleeves up - penpocket or not. If you take your tiime and do it correctly, it looks fine. I roll my ACU sleeves up everyday. Its hot out here. I'm not baking if I don't have to. I haven't gotten sunburned or anything. Crazy.
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I would like to see sleeves rolled again, but with the pin pockets on the sleeves that is not possible. I can understand why some leaders are against it as well though. If your sleeves are up you risk sun burn on your arms. At the same time with the sleeves up it is tighter on your arms therefore trapping more body heat. Just my opinion though.
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And this is why I don't have a subscription to Army Times anymore. Until we have a uniform that will support rolling the sleeves up it this question is moot.
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I'm glad to see someone else remembers. One of the major points for the BDU roll is that a tug on the sleeve brings it all of the way down, if you are hit by an irritant
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I've always heard that the only reason the Marines don't do camo out is because they couldn't get the funding required to extend their Boot camp by two weeks for them to learn this method.
Sorry, I couldn't resist!
Sorry, I couldn't resist!
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After having read most all of the opinions here I feel like puking. I never understood the whole "sleeves down all around" thing when it was forced upon us 10(?) years ago - frankly I thought it was stupid and it pissed me off. What bugs me about the naysayers are comments such as "it looks terrible", "our patches are covered up", "it won't make you cooler", "I'll get sunburn" and so on. Back when we wore the pickle suits (pre 1982ish), the guys who had arms as big as most people's thighs were allowed to roll their sleeves up to their elbows - common sense, no big deal. Back to today: The only reason the Army is doing this is because Soldiers asked for it. God only knows how many polls were taken, risk management studies conducted, committees formed, photographs taken and compared, more polls taken, and CSM's threatening to resign if sleeves are allowed up. Soldiers want this (at least, the majority do) so suck it up and drive on people! But what really bites are all the CSMs and 1SGs who are going to screw their troops and not allow sleeves up because they don't like it - I say CSMs and 1SGs because few commanders will buck them on an issue like this.
I get it, this is a forum for people to express their opinions - I just find it disappointing this is such a big, passionate deal to a few, not to mention the senior NCO's and officers promising this will never happen in their unit. I've been in since 1978 and have dealt with every uniform issue since, both good and bad. The worst travesties I remember was when the black beret was taken from the Rangers and the khaki uniform discarded. This is about the OPTION of rolling up sleeves - no one is going to force you to do it either way, unless you have one of those "special" CSMs/1SGs. It's also kind of embarrassing when the other branches of the military read this stuff and wonder out loud "what's up with the Army?" Marvelous.
I get it, this is a forum for people to express their opinions - I just find it disappointing this is such a big, passionate deal to a few, not to mention the senior NCO's and officers promising this will never happen in their unit. I've been in since 1978 and have dealt with every uniform issue since, both good and bad. The worst travesties I remember was when the black beret was taken from the Rangers and the khaki uniform discarded. This is about the OPTION of rolling up sleeves - no one is going to force you to do it either way, unless you have one of those "special" CSMs/1SGs. It's also kind of embarrassing when the other branches of the military read this stuff and wonder out loud "what's up with the Army?" Marvelous.
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In response to your question, absolutely yes. As a side note, I'm less excited by rolled sleeves, and more excited by cuffed sleeves in the field. I've been fighting that fight for almost as long as I've been in the army, so I'll take the small victories as they come. Now, to get the commander on board!
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