Posted on Jan 23, 2018
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12B and 19D are currently short and taking E5 sergeants for voluntary reclass. My goal has always been to reclass to 11B but was told I couldn't twice. The above MOS's are the closest to it so i'd like to take advantage of this opportunity and finally make this career change that I should've made after my first term. I am highly interested in the above two MOS's but I would like to know from leaders which MOS is the better choice and who spends more time training on their craft. A little insight on the day to day operations would be much appreciated as well. Thank you in advance.
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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SSG (Join to see), depends what you want to do. Those are two totally different MOS's you are talking about there. There are a lot of different kinds of engineer units too, which provide a lot of different jobs for SGT's. If you are a 12B, you could be anything from a light sapper team leader or section leader, pounding pickets, laying wire, digging fighting positions, blowing stuff up or you could be a heavy engineer...doing the same thing with heavy equipment. You could also end up swinging a hammer in a construction unit or power and light. Depends where you go. As a 19D, you have one job...reconnaissance. You'd end up as a team leader or vehicle commander in a light, Stryker or armored cavalry squadron. Same job, different platforms. Engineers are supposed to fight as infantry when they aren't doing engineer tasks, but that's about 2% of their time. If engineers aren't being used in their primary job, something has gone wrong. Scouts are focused on reconnaissance. All the time. They aren't supposed to engage the enemy directly unless the mission calls for it...usually in the heavy units. I'd become a scout, but I'm biased.
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Yeah...I get it. I disagree that an engineer squad isn't a big loss though. Can the infantry dig and pound? Sure. They are doing that in a Brigade level defense, on their tactical positions. Engineers are supposed to be working on BDE level stuff, and the infantry is too busy preparing to fight. Definite possibility to send a squad out when on the offense though in an area or zone recon though.
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COL (Join to see) - Well, sir, you've convinced me. That was excellent info and I like what I read. I've submitted my packet to my retention for reclass to 19D and I'm very motivated. Let's hope HRC releases me from my current MOS so I can really start serving our great military in the way that I want. I will keep you updated, Sir. Thank you again for all the information.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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COL (Join to see) - Most of the major defensive work outside of wire is done with equipment. A SEE operator can dig in the grunts in a Mechanized Task Force pretty quick while the D7 knocks out the defilade positions for the tanks and APC's. Even short a squad, a 12B Platoon can lay a lot of wire and even put in a minefield if needed. You never will see the look of joy in a man's face until you see the look on a m60 gunners face when the guy with the backhoe ask him where he wants a hole.
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SPC Austin Ackers
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Does anyone know how long reclass school is for 19d? Possibly reclassing to that mos.
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SGT Tony Clifford
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Well, as a former 12B I'm a little biased. You'll do a lot of things similar to infantry. Nearly every post has engineer units so you can go anywhere. There are also engineer battalions in the middle of nowhere. My last year on active duty was at WSMR, NM. Training is hard and if you deploy to Afghanistan you'll be doing route clearance. Downside for NCOs in engineer units is that you will be dealing with a lot of arrests. Engineer battalions tend to top the blotter. Also, it a small MOS for combat arms, so points for promotion can be really high. I left active as a SGT, because I was waiting on points to drop from 798 for over a year. The positive side, you will eventually know a guy nearly everywhere you get sent. When I left Lewis for Korea, half of the squad I was given I served with in the 14th at one time or another. Same at WSMR, he'll even in the CANG I worked with soldiers I served with on active duty. So there will be a lot of continuity. Also, you're likely to be a squadleader immediately, because engineer units regularly have soldiers in positions above their pay grade.
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SGT Tony Clifford
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Yes lots of your soldiers will most likely get arrested. Usually DUI, but drunken brawls and drugs will probably be a close second and third.

I would probably say the best part is being in a line platoon. After a few months together, they become family to you. Everyone knows everything there is to know about each other.
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SGT Tony Clifford
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Also, I didn't choose NM. The Army chose it for me.
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Aside from soldiers getting arrested, I’m looking forward to that special camaraderie you can only find in a combat MOS.
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2E moved to Fort Bliss. Literally 30 miles down the road.
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I enjoyed 12B a lot.
I'm sure both have their benifits
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It was "back in the day". Well in the 1990s there was a lot of land mine training but my favorite thing was demolition training. C4 and cratering charges. There's something about seeing a mushroom cloud and chunks of mud the size of a Volkswagen flying through the air that just makes your day.
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LTC (Join to see) - Awesome. Sounds great, sir. I'm looking forward to the training. Thanks for your input. *salute*
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When I was commissioned staying engineer was my first choice. I switched to regular Army and got reassessed...MP was their choice. I think I would enjoy any job though.
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LTC (Join to see) - Commissioning as 12A is my backup plan if I don't choose 12B now. MP is a cool MOS, too. That might just be my plan C.
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I will be submitting my voluntary reclassify packet this week. Which path is best, 12B Combat Engineer or 19D Cavalry scout?
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Awesome thread. I’m also looking into doing 11b or 12b. Coming from the Marine Corps Motor T, starting to lean a lot more toward 12b. Good luck to you and which ever route you go man.
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Sgt Cody Jones
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You know what the odds are to get a contract for 12b with a airborne school seat
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Thanks, man. I think I'm sold on 12B. especially after reading the majority of comments.
If I were you i'd go 12B first then switch to infantry (which is my plan). If you're willing to go to Ranger school, i'd say do that because when you become Ranger qualified, 11B becomes your secondary MOS which can allow you to switch over from 12B to 11B if you like (and also at the discretion of human resources command). I'd prefer that compared to vice-versa. If you go 11B first, you wont be able to go 12B unless you reenlist for it or voluntarily reclass for it like I am (given 12B is still short E5 then).
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Sgt Cody Jones - I don't know what the odds are but an Army recruiter should be able to get you that contract. Have you spoken to one yet?

Airborne's awesome, man. Get it if you can.

If not, once you get to your unit, show them you're motivated and i'm sure they will send you to the school. Then you'd have to reenlist for an Airborne assignment after when your window opens for PCS.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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I recommend 12B......but them I'm being biased as I once was a 12B
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SSG (Join to see) - There were several things I enjoyed and several things I found rewarding when I was a 12B. The deep friendships and camaraderie that was developed. A special trust developed when you are running thru a love mine field with live explosives in your hands along side someone else doing the same thing.
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MSG (Join to see) - Yeah, camaraderie is something I highly look forward to. and that sounds like some dangerous a** sh*t lol. but I bet it's a great adrenaline rush. As long as i'm with others doing the same, I wouldn't mind doing that everyday.
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SSG (Join to see) - Every time I got to blow something up, I kept saying to myself, "I can't believe I'm getting paid to do this"
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SSG, thanks for your input!
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Thank you to everyone who has given me input and advice for this reclass. All of your comments were very informative. I have submitted my packet for 19D. Let's hope HRC gives me the go-ahead. I will keep you all updated! Thanks again, everyone.
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COL Charles Williams
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SSG (Join to see) Good luck! My 1st platoon, as a PL was a Scout Platoon.
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SGT Derek Wynne
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HOOAH! If you ain't Cav...
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SGT Emilio Torres
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12B all day
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SGT, so look. The fact is, like the Col said, 11B is 11B. Anyone who’s ays we’re basically Infantry is kidding themselves. That being said I’m a 12B and can offer a little insight. As a 12B you’ll be aligned with an infantry unit. A squad supports a company. Whatever that maneuver Commander needs you to do you’ll do. As a light Sapper unit you’ll do a fair share of breaching obstacles and urban breaching. Rarely in a light or airborne unit will that company commander ask you to set in a defense, although it could happen. If you’re mechanized you’ll do the same but will be fighting from a Bradley, ABV ect. Down range our job tends to be route clearance and counter IED, so get comfortable with seeking out bombs. Over the last few years we’ve gotten back to the old school Engineer tasks that were set aside due to the counter insurgency fight we’ve had on our hands. Bottom line, we’re not Infantry, but we’re a Combat multiplier. We assist in enabling the maneuver guys to complete their mission. And yes, a lot of blowing stuff up.
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SSG, thank you for the input. I will keep this in mind.
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SGT Chester Beedle
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12B. You get to do some infantry training, especially if you are supporting an infantry unit. Plus you get to play with C4 which is pretty fun.
You won't likely be doing any hammer swinging or carpentry, or any of the other construction type work since it's not your MOS. You might help a construction unit, but it won't be your primary job.

19Ds... well um... yeah. Not actual cavalry, they aren't tankers who are in the fight. They are supposed to be recon type units, mostly for armor units. Infantry does it's own scouting in their scout platoons.

They are supposed to not actually engage the enemy. If they do, it's because one of two things happened. They are being misused, usually to give them something to do in a non-conventional war... as in doing patrols or convoy security. Or things went very, very, very wrong and they were discovered by the enemy.

I am biased however. I started in the regular army as an 11B. Went in the Guard as an 11B, then moved to WA where the nearest infantry unit was a couple hours away. A combat engineer unit was in the city I moved to and knew that I liked blowing things up, so why not. Spent about 6 years there, then went back to an infantry unit for my last few years.
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thanks for the input. I will keep this info in mind when I make my decision.
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MAJ Michael Cummings
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If you look at which will benefit you once you retire and want abother career, 12B would benefit greatly.

I am biased though and vote for 19D. Having been in both heavy armor units and in Cav, there is nothing like the armor brotherhood.
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Sir, thank you for your input.
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