Posted on Jun 15, 2019
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MSG Frank Kapaun
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If your aunt had balls, would that make her your uncle?
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PV2 Bob Ondown
PV2 Bob Ondown
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Only if she made you say "UNCLE".
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MSG Intelligence Analyst
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yes!
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MSG Antwine Marshall
MSG Antwine Marshall
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LOL.
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1SG Edward Cullen
1SG Edward Cullen
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Hahaha
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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No. You have to earn the CIB while in the appropriate MOS.
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SPC Gary Welch
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If you reclass to infantry work on getting your eib your cib will come in time
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SSG Jeff Furgerson
SSG Jeff Furgerson
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Well said SPC Gary Welch, that EIB is not a gimme by any means , as a Company Commo Chief in a line Infantry unit, one of my jobs was to make sure our units Infantry guys were prepared to pass the radio part of the EIB, I got to see some of the tasks those guys have to perform , it is a lot harder than most people think
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1SG Tommy McGee
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As previously stated no, but calling Soldiers a POG (which simply means People Other than Grunts) because they are not infantry just shows how ignorant Soldiers are at times. You can’t do your job without the “POGs”. I did 24 years, the last 11 as a 1SG, and had pretty much every MOS you can imagine. I was Airborne and Air Assault but I didn’t go around calling 11Bs without jump wings a LEG. It don’t make you more of a man or a better soldier just because you have an 11B MOS. Do you think that the battle can be won without artillery, beans, bullets, air support, transportation to and from the battle, medics to take care of the wounded and sick??
Take a look at your fellow soldiers on the modern battle field and if you convince yourself that you don’t need them, then ETS and find a job at McDonalds because you will fail your mission and get your brothers in arms killed in battle.
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SSG Cliff Richardson
SSG Cliff Richardson
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1SG: Greetings, and hope all is well with you. The term POG, goes along with all the other names that grunts use to denote just about anything outside of an Infantry company, terms like " Chairborne Rangers ", " Staff Pukes ", and so forth. That said, no it's not right for us Grunts to say these things, but on the same token it's not too cool for those that are not grunts to think of us and it happens all the time " Lowest of the food chain ". I have heard the snikers of both female/male soldiers say outright " you are not intelligent enough to get or obtain a higher MOS, well I beg to differ. IN just about every Infantry unit I have been in there are from platoon sgts. on down many men that had, or were in the process of obtaining a degree, were intelligent enough to become officers, and some did, I myself was approached many times to go to OCS and become an Infantry officer. I believe that is the reason that Grunts think so highly of ouselves, airborne or not, because nobody else will. The last duty station I had was 5/18 Inf. Friedburg Germany, and our batallion postal clerk, along with other postal clerks, were identified, and charged with stealing rolls of film that soldiers sent back to have developed, pictures of actual combat operations, blood and guts photos, and all around the brigade broke out these photos, and postal clerks, medics, finance, and others telling other, and family what great heros they were and what they had personally done of the battlefield in Iraq, 91- Desert Storm. So who has the problem the support, or the Infantry. Army CID busted these people and their careers were ruined, some went to jail under the UCMJ, my film was never recovered, and it pisses me off, because I will never be able to show my son what actually happened, and what I did. NO, I say again NO I did not make a mockery of the dead, thats against the Geneve Convention - " desecration of the dead " But I had some very good photos of my platoon, Bradley Crew, etc. all were gone, and I only have a few pics. that don't tell the whole story. But some non Grunt, who thinks I'm the lowest of the food chain tells a great LIE!!!
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1SG Tommy McGee
1SG Tommy McGee
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SSG Cliff Richardson
I agree with you. People that take credit for others deeds are just dumbasses. The most intelligent soldiers I ever worked with were “grunts” all were not 11Bs but did the same jobs, shoulder to shoulder with our fellow Soldiers, Airmen, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard and the Alphabet folks.
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SSG Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Roger that, First Sergeant!
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SPC Vonnie Jones
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Well said Top
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CPL Joseph Elinger
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EIB / CIB are MOS specific.
That's why there are: Combat Medic Badges, & Combat Action Badges.
A CAB is not a POG badge.
It can also be awarded to Engineers, Tankers, and Field Artillery.
Remember your place.
Field Artillery is "The King of Battle."
As for the Infantry, oh well,everyone curtseys to The Queen, don't they?
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SGT Christopher Blunt SR
SGT Christopher Blunt SR
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All I have to say is when this infantry soldier is calling in for artillery fire, just be ready to send rounds down range. :-)
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1SG Alan Boggs
1SG Alan Boggs
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We put them over rivers and across the mountains streems,
Do everything but tuck them in, and wish them pleasant dreams.
When the goings really tough, and bombs do burst their ears,
The whole divisions quick to say, “GOD SEND THE ENGINEERS!”
We build and blow your bridges and fix your roads up, too.
There aren’t too many things in life an Engineer cant do.
You never seem to need us till your minds are full of fear,
Then the first thing that you call for are the Combat Engineers
We build and guard your barriers, we build your bunkers too.
And each and every we prove what Engineers can do.
For in the thick of every fight, the cry has been for years,
“Come clear the path, save our ass, you Combat Engineers!!!”
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
SSG Gregg Mourizen
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SSG Shauna Holmes - That is how the CMB came to be. Guess who fought for it? The infantry soldiers. Everone was upset that the medics were doing the same missions, taking the same risks (worse if you think about it.
Eventually the CAB came about for similar reasons. Poople taking the same risks, doing similar missions. The powers at be, decided to create the CAB.
Now the engineers have a Sapper badge. I don't really know much about it, but it sounds to me like an equivilant to the EIB, or EMB.
I'm probably wrong, since I never pursued that path.
Artillary? I was an 11C so I fell under infantry, so again, never pursued that path. I don't kknow what's out there for them.
I did go Medical, however. Guess what? if you are medical, but not a medic, you get a CAB, just like the rest. If you're a nurse, doctor, labtech or any of the many other non-medic medical jobs, that's what you get. You can still test for the EMB, but that's not really the same now, is it? It doesn't matter how much blood and guts you go through on a daily basis, or how many motar / artillary rounds get lobbed at you or even how many times you actually end up engaging the enemy (yeah I know, most never leave the FOB). A CAB is what you get,
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Of course NOT a CIB isn't retroactive because You LATER became Infantry it is awarded only for service in Combat as an infantry soldier.
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SFC Howard Kempf
SFC Howard Kempf
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No and and former infantryman, now occupying a Combat support MOS who receives an CAB cannot opt to wear a CIB. Neither can a Marine who receives a Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) exchange for either a CAB or CIB.
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SGT Ruben Lozada
SGT Ruben Lozada
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I concur. If He or She earns a CAB while deployed and later decides to become an 11B, then He or She can't wear a CIB. Unless, as You have stated SMSgt He or She has to be an 11B at first. Another example would be if an 11B has earned the EIB and CIB, only one can be worn on His or Her ACU's and not both at the same time.
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CSM David Draughn
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The Department of the Army spends millions of dollars annually printing regulations; moreover, these regulations are now available online. Additionally, I understand, the Army now has these manuals and rules available in the oral form. I thought that most people would know that once a person earns a badge or a medal, folks would know these awards become permanent. Regardless of the position, a soldier serves in a unit whether deployed to a combat zone or otherwise if said soldier earns a badge or medal, then that award becomes a permanent fixture on a soldier's uniform. I believe too many people these days are too quick to criticize others. I always thought a "pog" was one of those toy devices that kids played with and traded years ago. A "pogue" on the other hand, derived from the Marine Corps term "Pogey bait" was a person who spent their tour far behind where the action was. Furthermore, my experience, (30 years in the infantry) taught me that those who are quick to cast stones at are the very people who lived the life they attempt to condemn others probably have more than one character flaw.

The character in "Band of Brothers" who demanded that replacement soldiers remove their Presidential Unit Citations because "You weren't at Normandy" comes to mind. Neither was he. Later, this same clown, deliberately capsized a boat crossing a river to save the beleaguered British Airborne Troops initially trapped at Arnheim. This "hero" wasn't. There are too many people across this country who continuously try to claim a status that they do not deserve. I've lived by the adage my grandmother taught me from my earliest memories. "Keep your backyard clean, and let other folks worry about theirs. I would applaud combat support and combat service support soldiers who decide to join the ranks of the combats arms soldier.
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MSG Jan Glock
MSG Jan Glock
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Well said CSM. Our team needs all parts to function effectively. Thank you.
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SFC Eugene Helstrom
SFC Eugene Helstrom
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Out-Frickin-Standing CSM!! A wheel only works with all it's spokes!
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SFC Shawn Warren
SFC Shawn Warren
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And that is why you are a CSM.
SFC Shawn Mark Warren, USA, RET.
Antrorsum Hostium and Semper Prorsum!
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SSG Roger Ayscue
SSG Roger Ayscue
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You always did have a way of cutting through the Bull in a nice way
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SFC Interpreter/Translator
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To beat a dead horse, no they wouldn't be automatically authorized a conversion of the CAB to a CIB. They would have to meet the eligibility criteria under their new MOS, under new conditions. Meaning, they can't use past actions under their old MOS to justify a CIB now that they were Infantry. The same goes with the many Infantry Soldiers that later transfer out.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Of course NOT, You don't get a CIB unless You Yourself served in the combat zone as infantry. The fact You became Infantry after the fact doesn't change anything. Until You serve a War as infantry and are awarded a CIB don't even think of wearing one!
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SPC Jerry Marrs
SPC Jerry Marrs
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Maybe just learn what the letters CI stand for. Just a thought
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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SPC Jerry Marrs - It stands for Combat Infantry and if Your infantry service wasn't in Combat then You are NOT entitled to the CIB, Combat Infantry Badge.
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
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If you truly want a CIB, you are starting out right, go infantry, get deployed as infantry, engage the enemy. Then you will have both the CIB and the CAB.
One question, why are you chasing after medals and badges?
The best award you can get is doing your job and getting home in one piece
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SPC Vonnie Jones
SPC Vonnie Jones
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I am glad someone said it
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