Posted on Apr 30, 2015
TSgt Joshua Copeland
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If being a Marine is so awesome (I am the son of 2 Marines), why is it that there are soooo many Marines that join the Army and Air Force?
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
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Im going to answer your question with a short story.

Several years after my time in the Marine Infantry, I was considering doing something with Army National Guard. I was in Las Vegas at the time, and I went down to an ANG recruiting office. As soon as I walked into the door, eyeballing all of this ARMY stuff to see, I thought I might feel just a little awkward at first. Instead though, I felt a sense of familiarity I could not explain...it was not a bad thing, it was just rather unexpected.

I waited around for maybe 5-6 minutes, was greeted by an Army SSGT, we begin our usual discussion about my being a Prior Service Marine, etc. He then hollars to the SFG whom I guess was the Senior Man on post, and says rather empathically "Hey SFG, we got another live one here!" (It became somewhat obvious this was somewhat of a routine for them). The SFG comes out of his office and yells to all of the other recruiters "Hey its that time again, get up here!" I am then asked to stand up for a second, so I oblige. I am suddenly surrounded by 7 Army people all E5-E7, and the SFG calls out his makeshift commands: Gather around our brother. Remove your (ACU blouses). Ready...Post"

Each of the arms stuck out pointing in my direction had various USMC Tattoos on them.

I said Oh, well Whats' up my Brothers and Sister? (yes even she had a tattoo of similar description, albeit a bit smaller) Then everyone starts laughing, and it became clear to me that this was their collectively-speaking favorite thing to do during their routine work-week. I said "I thought I sensed something far too familiar when I came into that door."

The SSgt who I was originally seated with, says "What we have figured out is simply this:
When you want to learn to become a badass, as we all once did, go Corps. Later when you actually want to be better paid for who you are and what you do, go ANG."

I did not ultimately go ANG, as I was trying to match up a job-skill Id have interest in with what the ANG needs were for that State (in this case, Nevada). Seemed at the time most of the options were either MPs, or Motor-T Diesel Mechanics.

But I thought this experience with that particular ANG Recruiting Office...was hysterical. =)
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SPC Nancy Greene
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I was Army, published CID orders for Army and Air Force, my Father was Army Air Corps in WEII and Air-force during Korea, My Uncle was an ensign in Navy during WEII and His squadron took out Kamamoto’s ship during the Battle of Midway (which was the‘Turing point for the war’ and dramatically shifted the balance of power and ensured OUR VICTORY). What I’m trying to explain is the fact I learned Army Jargon as a Soldier, Air Force jargon from my Fathet and the CID students, and Marine Corps jargon as a civilian employee after I completed Grad School with two Masters Degrees. I was exposed to and learned various jargon from different Branches of the Military! I was able to learn Army enlisted Ranks, some recognition of Air Force rank, and definitely USMC Enlisted tank as a Civilian for the USMC at Camp LeJeune, NRAS, and Cherry Point! Military Jargon is f’all fruit’, some apples, some oranges, but all fruit( that came from “My Big Fat Greek Weddimg, yet I thought it would explain I have had similar experiences! Never ‘mastered’ Navy Rank and Could NOT figure out why a Navy Lieutenant was wearing Captain Bars! LOLCPL Dan Renear
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SPC Nancy Greene
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Totally Agree SSgt John Tango!SSgt (Join to see)
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That's a scream!
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SPC Bogus Cornett - My father-in-law did the exact same thing. Marine in WWII, Army in Korea, and Air Force in Vietnam. Break in service each time.
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Capt Richard I P.
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Better pay, benefits and treatment. Easier life. And you still get to call yourself a Marine.
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1LT William Clardy - Which would be his right. I'm just telling you how the USMC sees it. People don't get expunged, only records do. People get discharged and the character of their discharge gives a snap shot of them when they left. They may have served honorably up to a point, but due to their actions they were discharged as something other than honorable. General, OTH, BCD, or Dishonorable. Note that you didn't see the term "real Marine" anywhere in my post. If he was FR he was the ultimate Marine for a time, and in his heart he still is. In the eyes of the service he just ended it in a manner that led to his status. "An "ex Marine" has not left in good terms.", does not mean he wasn't a real Marine. An ex-wife was a very real wife - maybe too real at times, same as a former wife.
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MGySgt Jerry Suarez
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Yes you are correct. All enlisted and officer rank regardless of branch will get paid the same if they have the same amount of time in. In other words and E7 with 8 years TIS will get paid more than an E7 with 6yrs TIS. And for promotion I will disagree your average TIS for an E6 in the AF, AR and NA is between 12 to 20 years most will never see E9. Your average TIS E6 in the MC is usually 6 to 8 years and most will see E9 within 20 to 24 years TIS. The promotion rate in the Corps is much faster than the other services.
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Cpl Dave Dziados
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Pay can't be better since all ranks in all services get the same pay according to rank but I'll say less work for your pay lol
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SSG (Join to see) that just proves you know nothing about marine culture.
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MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM
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Although not a Marine, I have a known reason. Marines are few and far between. Their MOSs are spread out and limited. Often times they get off active duty and move to some place due to a civilian opportunity then want to be a part of the reserves. If you are stuck in Hartford CT or some other place and all you have is Army and Air around, then that is your only option.
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
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There are only 182K Marines period, world wide. Each year, 25,000 to 26,000 First Term Marines compete for approximately 4500 slots called "Boatspaces". Anyone not making the cut for a boatspace simply goes home. The Marine Corps has an "Up or Out" policy. Once you get a boatspace and become a part of the career force, you still have service limits at each rank. If you don't get promoted within the time limit, you go home. The entire force structure of the Marine Corps is COMPETITION based. Only the most competitive Marines get to stay in. That's why so many go to the other services, and it also explains why so many Marines are straight up badasses.
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SSG Eddye Royal
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I have friends that where Marines, and we trained together, and I’m Army Highly tried. I told him I would take him to MEPS station because I neeeded check my OCS stats at the time, when we went, he had to go back through BT not AIT, but some due to change in career or MOS. Due to his age, and other factors he couldn’t relist for various that the Mariines stated to him. But the ARMY did accept his rack, with no problems. Where as the Marines would demote him., no slot or too much out.

Now some Marine part from my friend will need to be re-trained, both BT, and AIT. Then a bonus might be in order. That is what I have found. You will need to also check the current Regs.
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MSG Louis Alexander
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman - Then volunteer for Airborne, Rangers or Special Forces, we are always looking for the elitists in the crowd.
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Conner Fleury
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Hartford you say? Small world im from mass. Its pretty sweet. Im in an area where 3 out of the 5 branches are either in my town or in the next town over.
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If being a Marine is so awesome, why is it that there are so many Marines that join the Army and Air Force?
Capt Andrew Cosgrove
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There is the "OOORAH" answer and then there is the more logical answer based on my interactions with former Marines who are now serving or have served in our sister branches.

1. The Marine Corps is not a large force and as such there is limited space. Pick your reason, but many Marines who go into other services are not able to re-enlist or augment due to "Boat Space" issues. I.E. too many hard chargers for too few spots. They still wish to serve so they choose another service. We still consider them fellow Marines.

2. The Marine Corps is not for everyone. There is a lot of marketing that goes into the recruiting. They don't like the OP tempo, they don't like the MOS they got assigned, they don't like the conditions, whatever. They still want to serve so they transition to another service. The Corps is REAL BIG on the concept of "Bloom where you're planted." and lots of folks can't, won't, or don't want to. I can't blame them. But if they earned their EGA though, we still consider them fellow Marines.

The Corps can best be summed up when compared to the other services recruiting efforts. Think of the slogans. All the other services point to what they can do for the individual. Navy: Not just a job but an adventure, Army: Be all you can be, Army of One, Army Strong, Air Force: Aim High. The Marine Corps went from "We never promised you a rose garden" to "Looking for a few good men" to "The Few, the Proud."

We are just different. Not better, not worse, just different.

If you line up an Elephant, an Eagle, a Lion, and a Shark then tell them that the test is to climb a tree, how valid a result do you think you would get if the task is to protect the Island they are on?

This is what the inter-service rivalries boil down to.
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SP5 Lori Pong
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Your second reason is why I never considered the Marines. I wasn't assigned an MOS in the Army. I chose the one I wanted.
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CPT Ian Stewart
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Capt Cosgrove - thank you for clearing up something I've been wondering about for years. I've met many Marine veterans who have joined either the Regular Army or the ANG/AR and didn't understand why. These guys were all proud Marines to a man, but didn't return to the Corps and was wondering why. You've provided me with the answer - thanks again
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
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Agree 100%. I could have never been a Marine. Guys who join the Marines want to be warriors. That's fine. We need gung-ho, full of piss and vinegar warriors. But as the man says, not everyone can be one and thrive. Some wag once said that the Marines are America's answer to the SS. There is some similarity without the atrocities and the bigotry, of course. And you'll never find a "former soldier". :)
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SSG Eddye Royal
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I have friends that where Marines, and we trained together, and I’m Army Highly tried. I told him I would take him to MEPS station because I neeeded check my OCS stats at the time, when we went, he had to go back through BT not AIT, but some due to change in career or MOS. Due to his age, and other factors he couldn’t relist for various that the Mariines stated to him. But the ARMY did accept his rack, with no problems. Where as the Marines would demote him., no slot or too much out.

Now some Marine part from my friend will need to be re-trained, both BT, and AIT. Then a bonus might be in order. That is what I have found. You will need to also check the current Regs.
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SGT Brent Scott
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Personally kids join the marines and think that they are 10' tall and bullet proof, then reality sets in and they realize that all army soldiers are their heros and they want to be a hero
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MSG Louis Alexander
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Now fellows take a breather...Remember, our blood is the same color
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SGT Brent Scott
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Nope
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SSgt Edmond Dent
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Come back when you have something intelligent to say
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SGT Brent Scott
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SSgt Edmond Dent, please don’t respond to any other post until you join the correct branch of service. Thank you for your service.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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While being a Marine is a point of pride, it's also extraordinarily taxing on the body and soul. After a while, for me, I just didn't want to do it anymore. I know this is blasphemy, but the truth is the Army has a better quality of life, more opportunities for education, more military education, is better for the family, better on the marriage, better and diverse assignments, more NCOPD, you don't have to be an Alpha Male douchebag all the time, the bases are nicer, the quality of life is better, I could go on and on.... Frankly, you do the Marines to say you did it, but you join the Army to actually have a career where you aren't always taking a backseat to the "Needs of the Corps, if the Corps wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one, divorces are expected lifestyle".... The Army's big green weenie is more gentle =o)
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LtCol William Bentley - https://taskandpurpose.com/female-infantry-marine-fraternization/.
When it rains, it pours. Higher standards in Corps. Semper blah
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LtCol William Bentley - ha, you removed your quaint story about disrespectfully treating an overweight retired man in front of children in public? Excellent job, owning what you write.
Higher standards of the Corps.
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Capt Andrew Cosgrove
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Cutting Scores cause lots of good Marines to be forced out of active duty. Hence terms like "Terminal Lance Corporal"
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Cpl Terry Sullivan
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I was saying it since 8 months in they do a good job at promoting the wrong people, I was one of those guys that was beyond words good at my MOS my Cwo2 knew that and always had my back, I had my biggest problems with ncos that knew how to play the game and was promoted early, still didn't know about their mos, needless to say I butted heads most of the time, made CPL a month before my eas
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Cpl Peter Andersen
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I had to get out of the Corps because I wasn't able to pick up Sgt. by my 8 year mark; my composite score was 9 points below the cutting score for Sgt.
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SSG Eddye Royal
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I have friends that where Marines, and we trained together, and I’m Army Highly tried. I told him I would take him to MEPS station because I neeeded check my OCS stats at the time, when we went, he had to go back through BT not AIT, but some due to change in career or MOS. Due to his age, and other factors he couldn’t relist for various that the Mariines stated to him. But the ARMY did accept his rack, with no problems. Where as the Marines would demote him., no slot or too much out.

Now some Marine part from my friend will need to be re-trained, both BT, and AIT. Then a bonus might be in order. That is what I have found. You will need to also check the current Regs.
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Cpl Derrick Perkins
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LCpl Walter Bright - WORKING ON BUT WAITING ON REENLIST PACKAGE !! they shipped me back from okinawa without the proper paperwork , gaining unit 2nd FSSG no one knew me (good and bad lol) the Major in admin kept chewing me out about not having the paperwork done (i can only 'tell' admin so much to do THEIR job !!) finally , after about #6 time , he ran out of his office ,,, , i stopped took a deep breath , about face , 'well sir , for the 6th time ,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!! off i went !! up one side , 1/2 way down the other ,half way because i see a MGYSgt turning red , motioning for me to get in his office , he told me even though he is an idiot and probably deserved his 6 chewed,, why here in the HQ !!?? , then hard right turn asks me where i am from , pa. i said ,WHERE in pa. ! beaver falls master guns !! i said ,,, his reply,, goddammit ! , that explains it ! that is where i am from !! get the hell outta here !! ,, AYE AYE MASTER GUNS ! BOOM i was gone lol,, WELLL , sorta feeling i was in deep doo, wallet getting lighter , sleeve getting lighter ,, brig time ?? i freaked ,, instead of going home , cooling off, letting the 'noone knows me' work for me ,,, nope , straight to career jammer , stop the package , change to discharge ! , in my infinate wisdom,,, they wouldn't bust me if i was getting out ?? DOHHH !! so, i am broke , nobody , 54 trying to make $$ instead of talking to you all retired from the beach in ft walton ! lol RAHH ! anyone know how i can contact gen. reynolds she was my xo on oki :) maybe she knows some loop hole to get me back in ? even if i am her driver !!
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Cpl Peter Martuneac
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So we can teach those poor fellas in the Army what real warfighting looks like.
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I thought it was a great joke. Good one bro no butthurt feelings over here.
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LCpl Walter Bright
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I’m still laughing myself
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Sgt Cody Hill
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Lets all measure our green weenies and see who's is bigger
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SSG Eddye Royal
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I have friends that where Marines, and we trained together, and I’m Army Highly tried. I told him I would take him to MEPS station because I neeeded check my OCS stats at the time, when we went, he had to go back through BT not AIT, but some due to change in career or MOS. Due to his age, and other factors he couldn’t relist for various that the Mariines stated to him. But the ARMY did accept his rack, with no problems. Where as the Marines would demote him., no slot or too much out.

Now some Marine part from my friend will need to be re-trained, both BT, and AIT. Then a bonus might be in order. That is what I have found. You will need to also check the current Regs.
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SSgt Timothy Nestor
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because maybe they can no longer be a Marine and the Army and Air Force will accept them.
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SSgt James Hobbs
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How about the corps treats prior service marines like shit because they got out. But when they try to get back in they treat you like shit as well and then they say were not taking prior service right now. So eat the Apple fuck the corp! And plus the corps has become pussified starting in 1990 the corp aint what it used to be now that DAT has been removed. To many LGBTQXYZ in now .
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SSG Eddye Royal
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I have friends that where Marines, and we trained together, and I’m Army Highly tried. I told him I would take him to MEPS station because I neeeded check my OCS stats at the time, when we went, he had to go back through BT not AIT, but some due to change in career or MOS. Due to his age, and other factors he couldn’t relist for various that the Mariines stated to him. But the ARMY did accept his rack, with no problems. Where as the Marines would demote him., no slot or too much out.

Now some Marine part from my friend will need to be re-trained, both BT, and AIT. Then a bonus might be in order. That is what I have found. You will need to also check the current Regs.
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CWO4 Branch Head
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A lot of times, really good Marines, who want to stay on active duty can't get a boat space for reenlistment and are forced out. that leaves only one option for those that really want to remain on active duty...
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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That and rank advancement were the reasons the Marines I knew switched to the Army. Smaller Force with the Marines, so the career guys tend to be camped on the NCO slots E-6 and up. Or so I was told. Of course, a lot large choice of jobs too.
Of course, a similar situation can arise in the National Guard units too, especially with E8 and above NCO's and any Officer above the rank of Major.
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