Posted on May 3, 2017
If the distance for the PT test run was 2.13 miles, am I still allowed to dispute it and request a retest?
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Unless you measured with a wheel, you don't know if their site was accurate. Garmins, and other watches tend to be off by about 100 meters. They can be off worse on a track.
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SSG (Join to see) He said he walked the course with a measuring wheel, which is how he figured out it was 2.13 mile.
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I know we're talking about the APFT run, but I feel that the standard should be met for all aspects of the APFT, the push ups and sit ups included. They got me on my push ups because I "didn't break the plane". I heard the instructions before every event and correct me if I'm wrong but the standard for push ups is elbow at a 90 degree angle. My 1SG really had it out for me because I have a belly that I just cannot get rid of, even when I was at the correct weight standard I still had a gut. Changed my diet and excersizes more to get rid of it but could not. I got off topic. But my point is the standard when I was in was 90 degree angle for push ups and even though I was doing over 50, I got nailed for not going beyond 90 degrees and only had about 38 or so counted. I'd probably still be in if my leadership didn't fail me when I tried to bring this up to them.
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Can't say I ever worried about the distance as long as everyone ran the same then We were all in the same boat. Distance running never bothered Me anyway and I always enjoyed it more running against other runners than just going out and running by Myself. Just paced Myself so coming in was the same pace as going out and if I needed a quick dash when the finish line was in sight so be it, I wasn't going to let anybody I had been ahead of during the run pass Me there. I've done runs that had a bit extra distance on it, who cares ? Everyone else ran the same distance.
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Chief, I agree that we should be ready everyday to pass the PT test, however what if everyone decide to come in at 0900, would it be ok since everyone is in the same boat. What if everyone's check was 5% short is it ok but everyone is in the same position. The test was only 1 1/4 miles but everyone passed so we will just keep it as it stands since it affected everyone. Nobody feels like do the test today since we had the squadron party last night, who command say don't worry since it's everyone don't worry about it. I believe the quote is integrity first and that should the fact that it is 2 miles and someone didn't have it right and should be corrected.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SSgt (Join to see) - Your point is valid although I've never actually run across anything in the USAF that problem even came up, the distances were all very accurate and any off road or on road trails were well marked and easy to follow. i do prefer myself though running cross country even if Hills are involved as opposed to running in circles on a track. I only speak for Myself on that one though. I can't however argue with the point You made, that is correct and it should all be above board and have integrity.
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I had been involved in an accident during basic at Fort McClellan, the second week of my training.I was placed on profile for a bruised spine.the day before our PT test my profile ended....I pushed myself and passed push ups, set ups and the run, actually besting people who were not injured...some 35 years later I still suffer from the mishap, but I push it...we need to stop with political correct crap and toughen up our troops.
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I agree we should be ready everyday but perhaps you wouldn't suffer it today had you been giving the proper time to recuperate.
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Yhea! Toughen the troops by adding 15% to everyone's APFT run time so they all get a lower APFT scores and fewer promotion points. The difference between 274 APFT score and 260 APFT score is only 24 promotion points. It doesn't matter that other units don't put their Soldiers at a distinct disadvantage like this. Our Soldiers are tough so they will march on when they get denied promotions without it impact morale and their families will be tougher too living without that promotion for longer because that low score only earned the Soldier a spot low on the PPRL. Forget about this leadership failure and stop with political correct crap and toughen up our troops. <<sarcasm>>
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Sgt Scott McCleland
I had the mindset, what would I do if in combat..yes i was Army Guard, but who knows if we would be sent into a hostile place....
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If you want to be a 60% Soldier for passing, you have bigger problems than .13 miles.
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Disappointed Sir. Regulations and standards don't matter to you? What happens to your Soldiers' promotion points if you increase everyone's run time by 15%?
BTW, using the Army grading scale for a 20 y/o male, anyone who runs at a pace slower than what would score 74 on the 2 mile run will fail a 2.13 run. Since when does running a 70 pace become a failing APFT score? Use the current promotion guidance to see the difference between a 274 APFT score and a 260 APFT score. That's like improperly removing two Achievement Medals (10pts each) and one CoA (5pts each) from the promotion packet of every Soldier in that category that has to run more that two football fields extra after the end of their 2 mile run.
This is a leadership failure and the command is screwing over every Soldier that runs that extended 2.13 mile course, but your comment focuses of the fitness level of a single PFC? How would this PFC running faster resolve all the issues related to the leadership failure?
BTW, using the Army grading scale for a 20 y/o male, anyone who runs at a pace slower than what would score 74 on the 2 mile run will fail a 2.13 run. Since when does running a 70 pace become a failing APFT score? Use the current promotion guidance to see the difference between a 274 APFT score and a 260 APFT score. That's like improperly removing two Achievement Medals (10pts each) and one CoA (5pts each) from the promotion packet of every Soldier in that category that has to run more that two football fields extra after the end of their 2 mile run.
This is a leadership failure and the command is screwing over every Soldier that runs that extended 2.13 mile course, but your comment focuses of the fitness level of a single PFC? How would this PFC running faster resolve all the issues related to the leadership failure?
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The fastest I ever ran the 2 mile was 11minutes and 12seconds. They did make a cadence and it goes like this. Fat boy fat boy why you so fat running down the road with your nose all snotty if you don't know you better ask some body. A little over one tenth of a mile you should of passed it.
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Bottom line. The army has an entire manual about how to conduct an APFT. If the run exceeded 2 miles, the 1SG and PSG should give you one the next day on an official 400 meter track. You fail, sorry luck chuck. You suck. But like in the ABN we say, you better pray there is a deficiency if you are a jump refusal or you done son.
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