Posted on Aug 27, 2021
SSgt Timothy Prevost
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To be clear, I'm not Anti Vax but I'm also not vaccinated. With all the immunizations and drugs the government has given us like anthrax, smallpox, doxycycline, mefloquine..etc. service members and Veterans are still concerned about the COVID-19 vaccine. Even after the FDA approved Pfizer, I was not planning on receiving the vaccine and would not have gotten it without being forced by the Military. Now that the pentagon mandated it, I obviously have no choice. I’m curious to hear other veteran/service members opinions are?
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CW4 Guy Butler
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I got mine in March; fully vaccinated around 1 May. Pfizer vaccine.

It’s nowhere near as bad as the anthrax vaccines.
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CW4 Guy Butler
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TSgt John Brody I’ll take that as a “no”, then.
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TSgt John Brody
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CW4 Guy Butler - I'll get back to you tomorrow Butler. It's just sad that I need to do simple research for you. But don't worry short bus, I deliver!
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TSgt John Brody
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Well here are some "quick hits" for ya'll...
"U.S. Defense Secretary Austin tests positive for COVID-19"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVygmnr8Wb0
Keep in mind that he is "fully vaccinated" and has had booster shot(s)...
Seems the vaccine doesn't work.
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TSgt John Brody
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SFC (Join to see) - Professor Bret Weinstein has an excellent youtube channel that covers a lot of kung flu information. https://www.youtube.com/c/BretWeinsteinDarkHorse
Watch an hour or two of his 5-10 minute clips that cover the topic and let us know what you think!
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PFC David Foster
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After the scientist tell us over and over that it works, it just seems totally irresponsible to refuse it. It seems like everyone would want to do their share to keep the mothers and fathers, and brothers and sisters and children safe from COVID19.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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SSgt (Join to see) - "No True Scotsman"? Really? Unfortunately, trump did NOT push it. In fact, when he did mention getting vaccinated at a recent rally, he actually got booed by his own supporters. And the GQP politicians on the trump train to fascism are all very much in stupid opposition to common sense and valid science for fighting the pandemic.

As for that box, first of all it is less than half the nation. Closer to a third, if you want to be generous and use a broad definition. Echo chambers make things sound louder than they really are and make it seem like there are more voices speaking. Second, the "true conservatives" are getting out of that box if they hadn't gotten out before now. In all political parties it is the more extremist members that are the most active, especially in the primaries, thus forcing the true conservatives to face primary challenges from the extremist fringe. I suppose that I really should refer to the extreme right wing propaganda machine echo chamber, since that is the primary domestic enemy of the country and Constitution right now.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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If the same science tells us over and over you can still get COVID after taking the vaccine and you must still wear a mask... Dont get me wrong, I have had all three shots but these conflicting messages make it difficult for some.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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MAJ Byron Oyler - There is no conflicting information. There is the message from science and the political propaganda. The vaccines reduce the risk of becoming infected, if you do become ill, the vaccines greatly reduce the risk of becoming seriously ill, and if serious illness does occur, they greatly reduce the risk of death.

The reason for the continued need for the masks is the mechanism of operation of the vaccine vs the primary infection route of the virus. The virus begins its infection in the sinus cavities, whereas the vaccines operate via the bloodstream.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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Scientists also pushed DDT was great for kids, Arsenic was amazing for skin, Asbestos was safe, tobaccos was harmless, and most of our medical miracles are touted as amazing - until the lawsuits happen and the injured/dead start to pile up.

I am not for listening to the guy who make money off the profits - I am for listening to the unbiased neutral who are not in the game of big pharma who are screaming do not get it.

Morticians, pediatricians, OBGYN, virologists not affiliated with the big pharmas - all are saying this is a disaster and we are going to regret it a decade from now - if not sooner.
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SFC Intelligence Analyst
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I got it in March before it was mandated - so yes.

Everyone has choices even in the military. It's just either you get mandatory vaccinations or you can be administratively separated.
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Cpl Vic Burk
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If I was still on active duty and it was mandated I would go along with the program because I was ordered to. However, I am still skeptical because it really wasn't tested long enough. The vaccine was pushed out fast due to public pressure. I have been tested three times so far and it has been negative each time. If anyone is in a situation where they could easily get it, that is me. On any given day probably a thousand students pass in front of my classroom while I am on hall duty not to mention in direct contact with another eighty in the classroom. Then in addition several students a day from the JROTC program that come by to see me. We always shake hands when they arrive and sometimes when they leave as well. Maybe I am lucky? Personally I am for free choice.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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Cpl Vic Burk - Vaccines are not drugs. They work via very different mechanisms. For drugs, you must have a minimum therapeutic dose and maintain that level for as long as required for that drug to have its desired effect. For vaccines, they enter your body, show your body what a particular virus looks like, and they are done and they get flushed out of your body. Furthermore, you don't keep taking vaccines daily for months on end. If any of the vaccines were going to have any "long term" side effects, they would have shown up months ago.
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PO2 Russell "Russ" Lincoln
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PO2 William Rowanoak - Not necessarily- vaccines do get pulled for many reasons, such as not effective, side affects that show up after several years of being in use. Case in point in the mid 70's the swine flu vaccine was found to be both ineffective and to cause side affects.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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PO2 Russell "Russ" Lincoln - Sure. In the case of the swine flu vaccine, it was found that it may have caused an increase in Guillian-Barre syndrome by an amount of one extra case per 100,000 doses. Deaths were reported but not confirmed. And all that was in conjunction with the failure of the swine flu to spread beyond the initial appearance in Fort Dix.
https://fullfact.org/online/swine-flu-vaccine-1976-covid/
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PO2 Russell "Russ" Lincoln
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PO2 William Rowanoak It also made about half of the recipients physically ill for 2 to 3 days.
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SSgt Timothy Prevost I received the shots and will get the Booster shot when I am eligible. If I was active duty, I would have received the shots. With over 630 thousand deaths and a FDA approved Vaccine, it makes sense to get the shots. Getting the shots will also help protect the older most vulnerable folks.
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PFC James Stewart
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The sad thing is now more Americans have died from COVID-19 than those who died during the Civil War, known to be the bloodiest war in US history. The difference? Covid only took 1 1/2 years, the war took 4 years.
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PFC James Stewart - Good point!
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SP6 Greg Jetter
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As an old combat medic 91b from the 80's , having witness command dictating vaccines , that later proved to be fatal to some and life destroying to others (anthrax, swine flu , and a few other little nice ones, like agent orange), I would not submit , and if you do your directly responsible for the fall of America to the left and the communist who now run the pentagon . Remember "ALL enemies " foreign and domestic , in this case the domestic enemies that are currently in power actively trying to destroy the nation , mass vax of the fighting force is just another step in defeating the armed forces , you can't fight a war when 80 % of your force is either dead or dying from a vax command insisted they take , even knowing that it was experimental and it was killing millions world wide.

That being said , nothing will change until command suffers the losses that it is self inflecting . as they say "hind sight is 20 20" ..... good luck to all my active duty brother's and sisters , i hope you folks find at least one general that has balls and cares about his or her's soldiers instead of ass kissing higher for promotions. Though that seems less likely as the days go by , America was once a great country , now it's turning to shit right before our eys. good luck.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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SSG Dave Johnston - Only the deliberate false information has been "suppressed"
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PO2 William Rowanoak - Good luck with the conspiracy theory types. They are too far gone and I'm done trying to reason with them.
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MSG Thomas Currie
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SSG Dave Johnston - Yes it is an absolute disgrace that mostly valid information from reliable sources is presented and most ridiculous nonsense from the tinfoil-hat crowd is only available on their own websites. This is America, everyone is supposed to be "equal" -- so your opinions are obviously just as good as those of medical professionals.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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1SG (Join to see) - The only way is to first get them out of their cult, and that is virtually impossible.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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I always got all the shots I was scheduled for by the service and I'm positive while in Vietnam and the things We were exposed to that prevented a lot of problems. I never even had a cold during a full year there but I figure with all the shots I got they probably covered every disease known to Mankind. I'm now retired but I did get both covid shots as did my wife which was our choice but based on guidance from My own family physician and NOT the government. I can remember booster shots for other things while growing up, I'll get those also but for Myself and My wife, NOT because someone told us too. I'm in good health and intend to stay that way and take whatever precautions My physician recommends and I figure Politicians that can't even figure out how to govern stop trying to dictate health care when they can't even handle their own jobs.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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Just who do you think is telling the government w2hat kind of guidance to provide? Hint: it's all coming from the doctors who have spent decades working at stopping the spread of diseases.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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PO2 William Rowanoak - Its coming from a limited number of Doctors such as Fauci who actually doesn't practice medicine with patients but is involved in research and isn't supported by the majority of actual practicing Physicians. There are also many questionable conclusions reached by Fauci that seemed to be more money motivated for new products while existing research and available products were ignored. One panel of Four dozen practicing Physicians said as much on a news briefing which the major news networks ignored as it wasn't pro Fauci or have political motivation. All those Doctors had treated hundreds of Covid Patients with success. Dr Fauci also diverting millions of US Federal government dollar to the Wuhan Lab is very questionable and a subject the press has given very little attention to.
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PO2 William Rowanoak
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - Conspiracy delusions are not facts, no matter how many times they get repeated. "Four dozen"? Are you referring to the quacks that were peddling the hydroxycloroquine fraud? Hydroxycloroquine was proven to be useless in treating covid.

As for Dr Fauci sending money to the Wuhan lab, yes I wish that it got better coverage in the press, because it highlights trump's failure. The money you are talking about was part of President Obama's pandemic response team initiative. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is one of several labs worldwide that are situated in regions that are likely sources of zoonotic infections and ALL of those research facilities received money from the U.S. Government to improve the research necessary to head off pandemics before they go global. Unfortunately, trump was an egotistical moron who was obsessed with undoing everything that President Obama had done. In this case, his pathetic obsession cost a couple of months warning about the new coronavirus because we no longer had an American scientist in the Wuhan lab, and that lack of warning may have cost millions of lives worldwide.
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Statistically one is better off getting it rather than not, and by A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, I didn't jump to the front of the line. I knew the USAR would eventually give us financial incentive to get it done by way of making it an approved LHI action.

So yea, I was all over it once I got PAID for half the day of my time to the free vaccination at the VA.

Now, the bummer part was my second shot was administered during a BA weekend, so I didn't get paid for it or an additional retirement point.

Now, presumably, it's the VA's problem if the vaccination causes me problems down the line.
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SGT Daniel Weinberger - I kind of agree with you. The whole disassembly of the economic supply chain didn't justify the response, and vaccine mandates are part of that. This is clearly a world wide over reaction.

In the military however our bodies our choice is sort of given up for the greater good. We all went through MEPS, right? This CV19 vaccine is nothing compared to the anthrax, smallpox, malaria stuff I've had to deal with.

It's why men's heads started to be shaved in Basic Training (sanitation reasons). What happened to the good o'days of Civil War ear grooming and sanitation standards?

Every single person that now is going to join the military is going to get the vaccine at MEPS. When they do join however, they give up their choice to say no to many things.
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SFC Michael Kinsley
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CPT, what do LHA and BA stand for?
I think I understand what they are but don't know the abbreviations stand for.
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SFC Michael Kinsley - LHI = Logistics Health Incorporated (the system we use to keep our medical readiness up to date) and BA = Battle Assembly
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SPC Jesse Davis
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The fact that there are any nos or any excuses is precisely the reason why it needs to be mandated.
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LTC Robert Vanauken
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I'm retired now, but yes I would get vaccinated if I was active duty and had a choice. I did my own research and have known many people who have contracted Covid-19. The benefits of the shot(s) outweighed the risks for me.
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