Posted on May 4, 2014
If you are non deployable, you shouldn't be able to get promoted. What do you think?
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I think being non deployable is the worst thing in the Army. Nothing worst than watching your Soldiers board the plane to deploy and you are in the rear.
I used to work for a SFC that was non deployable and couldn't even wear her vest lol. I was like seriously, why are you even here? Why are you training us on anything and will not be there when it matters the most?
In my eyes if you are non deployable i don't see why the Army doesn't start a chapter packet on the SM or Leader and send them to the house.
There is another way for the Army to downsize right there.
I think you shouldn't be able to get promoted either. Deploying is the biggest and main part of the being a Soldier. Going to war when needed. If you can't go to war or the freaking field for a field problem then why should you be promoted?
I used to work for a SFC that was non deployable and couldn't even wear her vest lol. I was like seriously, why are you even here? Why are you training us on anything and will not be there when it matters the most?
In my eyes if you are non deployable i don't see why the Army doesn't start a chapter packet on the SM or Leader and send them to the house.
There is another way for the Army to downsize right there.
I think you shouldn't be able to get promoted either. Deploying is the biggest and main part of the being a Soldier. Going to war when needed. If you can't go to war or the freaking field for a field problem then why should you be promoted?
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I disagree. Blanket statements are too broad.
Each case must be handled individually (would you want to have an adverse action process against yourself as part of a blanket unevaluated decision? - I suspect not.)
You can become non-deployable for a number of reasons, not all of the within your control.
Each case must be handled individually (would you want to have an adverse action process against yourself as part of a blanket unevaluated decision? - I suspect not.)
You can become non-deployable for a number of reasons, not all of the within your control.
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What if that Soldier's nondeployment status is because of a deployment? Are you going to hold a solider back that has put in his/her time?
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If you are serving the country in uniform ... you ARE deployed from civilian life and promotions should be based on merit and experience in your job, wherever you are based. The service does not run on special forces or front line troops alone. Never forget those whose job is to support ... in their own way.
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Forgive my lack of knowledge about this subject, but I was active duty during the eighties before there was a need to deploy. What exactly constitutes being Non deployable?
My husband and I were both active duty when I was in and they said both parties couldn't be eligible for TDY at the same time would that make me Non deployable because we had young children?
I speak from the experience of age, not all jobs need to be done at a forward location would that make those specialities ineligible for promotion? What if they became injured while active duty? Do we then cast them aside? Unless they are unable to work and earn a living they should be given the opportunity to reach retirement like any civilian organization. We all don't need to hump a 50 pound pack up a hill to be a valuable military asset.
My husband and I were both active duty when I was in and they said both parties couldn't be eligible for TDY at the same time would that make me Non deployable because we had young children?
I speak from the experience of age, not all jobs need to be done at a forward location would that make those specialities ineligible for promotion? What if they became injured while active duty? Do we then cast them aside? Unless they are unable to work and earn a living they should be given the opportunity to reach retirement like any civilian organization. We all don't need to hump a 50 pound pack up a hill to be a valuable military asset.
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That's a tough question to answer because sometimes your not deployable due to medical reasons beyond your control and you should not be denied the opportunity to compete for advancement because of your deployable status.
I was on Limited Duty twice in my career because of TBI and both times I was told by a Chief that being on LIMDU screwed me for promotion, unofficially of course.
In my personal opinion I do think that selection boards are very biased and they have little to do with a service members actual ability to do a job at the next higher rank and more with who you know.
Yes some will say I am pissed off because I never got promoted to E-7, but I do wonder how some people got promoted over me when my service record was much better than theirs was. And yes I am talking about people I know who worked with me and I know my record was better because I had seen their records and they did not have the collateral duties or various leadership positions that I had held. But in the end it is what it is.
I was on Limited Duty twice in my career because of TBI and both times I was told by a Chief that being on LIMDU screwed me for promotion, unofficially of course.
In my personal opinion I do think that selection boards are very biased and they have little to do with a service members actual ability to do a job at the next higher rank and more with who you know.
Yes some will say I am pissed off because I never got promoted to E-7, but I do wonder how some people got promoted over me when my service record was much better than theirs was. And yes I am talking about people I know who worked with me and I know my record was better because I had seen their records and they did not have the collateral duties or various leadership positions that I had held. But in the end it is what it is.
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So for clarification if a SM has been deployed encountered injuries because they were probably doing more than twirling their thumbs they should be released? Well I guess there's a few phenomenal Commander's, SGMs, and senior NCOs I know that we have to give pink slips to now. They're just holding us all back with that darn outstanding leadership and wisdom.
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SFC (Join to see)
Its real simple ma'am. If you have non combat/deployment related injuries and can not deploy, you should either be put out or if you want to say in you should be flagged and not be able to advance until you are deployable again.
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It's not quite that simple. If we start making arbitrary rules like that how long will it be before service members start actively placing subject of being able to deploy again over the overall mission? I.E. doing the bare minimum and taking less risks because they know they'll lose support and basically their career of they get hurt? These opinions apparently are inclusive to all injured SM rather than specific case by case situations. Besides there's this thing called Garrison that needs to be ran while we have operations in other places going on. All of the Army doesn't deploy at the same time and the top performers at home should just as well be recognized.
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I understand what your saying but everyone is not the same. There was a General of the Third Army that thought the same way you did. He even slap a couple of soldiers around not because they were physically hurt but mentally they could not take it. Great General and I really mean that but not everyone saw his point of view and it hurt his career and him too.
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That makes no sense!! My question to you is would you rather have a person back in the rear that knows there stuff and train soldiers up to par or have or deploy everyone leaving no one to be able to train the replacement soldiers that you lose either by E.T.S' K.I.A Medical? Every know you don't take everyone. In every situation be it in the movies or in real life you leave some one back either to train or to be able to supply the unit that is deployed and if it is a non deployable person it is better because that person knows what is expected and yes very valuable to the unit in so many way. Promotion yes!!! Now if that person is non deployable and a total f--k up and is not of any value no!!
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50,000 SM right now could not deploy if needed. We dont need 50K in the rear. You agree?
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SPC Raul Santiago
not agreed How many bases how many different type of jobs how many specialty equipment and who takes care people coming back who take car of the needs of the unit. Common Sergeant you going to tell me that you never use a non deployable person to handle a situation to off set the burden on a deployable person. No disrespect intended but get your head out your ass and understand the situation. You piss me off with the notion that all of us do this of purpose and it is just not true. Take me for instance my career was cut short because a Doctor did not evaluate me correct when I was station in Egypt as part of the M.F.O. I had to go to another countries doctor just so I can get some pain relieve. By the time they I knew with was 6 months later Pass out from the pain dam nearly die. To tell in all that time I was still conducting my missions thru the desert. Now I have nerve damage migraines Tmj. You want to blame me for being non deployable really. That is Bullshit all due respect but it is you know!!!!
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And you, Sergeant, are one of the things wrong with the Army today. How about you worry about you and making yourself a better leader, instead of ragging on those that have been there, done that, and now teach it better than you can probably even guess. But no, you want to stand on your highhorse and judge instead
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50,000 SM right now can not go and fight. So i guess thats cool with you? SMA gonna start shipping them home. Either get out or stay in but UNTIL you can do your job and deploy, you should not be able to get promoted.
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I am in that boat right now of not being fully mission capable, and it sucks to know that my career is over. Being hurt and being looked at by leaders like yourself who would rather force out a soldier who is injured than ensure that soldier is taken care of and processed out of the military like they should be is the reason our military is going downhill. Once I get back stateside I plan on starting my med board process and get what I deserve, but as you know it takes time to get this process going and just chaptering a soldier out who deserves to be med boarded is the wrong answer.
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SFC (Join to see)
I would never force anyone out the Army. But if you cant deploy its time to find another profession or we allow them to stay in but you will not advance in rank until you are ready to deploy.
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