If you are non deployable, you shouldn't be able to get promoted. What do you think?

I do not think it is right to penalize someone who is genuinely hurt to where they cannot deploy. If they are under the care of a doctor and there is a possibility for them to return to full status I feel they should still be able to be promoted otherwise the injury could result in them being forced out even if they get better because of missed promotions.

I'm in the Air Force. I'm nondeployable. The AFGSC General tells us we deploy to the missile field everyday. I don't see how he gets that. We just do our job.

If a soldier never deploys, I can see your point but if a soldier has been injured during deployment and is in recovery then no that soldier should not be booted nor denied promotions. Life happens.

In my opinion you are incredibly small minded. I will grant you that there are some people that use that status as Asa way to get out of doing things but there are countless Soldiers that bring a hell of a lot of leadership experience to the table even though their bodies are now broken. Tossing that experience to the wayside is wrong and a realised opportunity to develop our future leaders.

Depends on the situation. If you have a EM/Officer that can't pass, p.t. can't pass the tape test. Can't pass alternative p.t. test and does not have a temp profile due to injury and who don't have a skill set like Admin, operations or maintenance in the rear detachment then maybe they are a 5th wheel in the organization. If they have 18 years in, get them in sanctuary and retire them at 20 years if they are broken. I am talking about the reserve component here. Active duty, I am sure, you have your ways to decide to get them out by regulations too.

When the Army needed Soldiers the regulations were overlooked.
Now they need to shrink and policies are again tight. In 2008 my profile was fine to deploy. 2013 the same profile was no longer valid for deployment and I was medically retired. When the army finds itself fighting on mutipal fronts those profiles will be good enough again.
Prorated the 20 year retirement to time served and remove all Soldiers with a permanent profile.
Can't wait for the draft to be activated.
Good luck Soldiers.

That's norhing there are soldier who serve and never been to any NCO school and still have Senior Rank, so how can you take one from the other, this is nothing but a form of poltice

My medical records and those of my brothers were empty. No one wanted to be non-deployable. Almost bit me in the ass during my C&P exams though lol.

I don't worry about anyone else but me and the guys I am responsible for, when things go sideways it is irrelevant who didn't deploy just who is on your left and right. Everything else is just white noise

I think if they're proficient in their job, they still should be able to get promoted! I do agree with SSG Brian Jones on taking a non deployable professional NCO over a deployed unprofessional! There is always room for both types!

I'd agree that a non-deployable Soldier's ability to be promoted should be negatively impacted because of the experience gained. The PPW does that for promotions to Sgt and SSG. It's a numbers game, though. Sometimes, you have to have the numbers.

You know I really try to digress from posts such as this but SFC Thomas you touched an area that you obviously are not the expert in. First, I would agree that there are some Soldiers, NCOs and Officers that are non-deployable who should be processed for separation from military service, however with that being said have you ever witnessed the medical board process? Probably not! Are you well versed on the MAR2 process and if you have subordinates have you shared with them how it works? Probably not! How many deployable Soldiers are left in the rear detachment because well someone has to do it and as a leader that should be a decision so hard that you lose a little bit of sleep over, why? Because you have to leave competent personnel back to handle all of the issues and rear detachment affairs. Do you think because the unit is forward that everything stops? My point is simple don't lump all Soldiers in the same category because of your experience. I don't think you would like it if the Army did to you what you are professing is the thing to do. Now if a Soldier is legitimately a bad Soldier that needs to take off into the civilian sector then ensure his or her counseling reflects that but if a Soldier is injured because,of what happened to them downrange then the Army should do everything possible to get that Soldier into the fight or ensure they are set up for success after their service to our nation. I see too many Senior NCOs such as yourself that tend to be the problem and not the solution. Maybe I'm wrong but you opened the can!!

Respectfully
CSM (R) Gerald L Williams

Why are you covering your face in your picture while you post crap like this? Are afraid that people will know your opinion in your unit? Seems like a coward move to me!

Why was this person not deployable? Is the problem a short-term medical problem? Need more info to determine whether or not they should be allowed to be promoted.

Just because a service member isn't deployable doesn't make him/her useless...While we do train to deploy and go to war which is the military's main objective there are also other needs of the military. Someone has to be ashore while we're out in the field....so the military uses them to train service members to go to the field...they become our recruiters, drill sergeants, and instructors so they are useful to the military's needs despite not being deployable.

SFC (Join to see) I absolutely agree with you, but with checks and balances. Should a soldier become non deployable for a period longer than 90 days (I'll explain why in a second) they shouldn't be promotable, eligible for military school.. Similar to a fat or weak body flag (gonna catch hear for phrasing it that way). Unlike the fat and weak body flags, the SM should retain eligibility for Civilian Ed TA and military awards.

Why I say 90 days as that's usually more than enough time to have acute injury and recover even with the slow process that army medicine moves at (for this I apologize, if I had the power to change it I would) over 90 days the SM has a serious issue that they should be focusing on and return to full fighting health.

Exceptions should be made. Pregnancy should be exempt from this or we'd edge on pushing good solid female soldiers out for wanting a family, that I'll never support. Even if a small few use pregnancy as a means to deployment dodge it's never worth it to risk losing a good soldier over those bad ones.
Non-deployment due to hospitalization should be exempt to from the flag on promotion.
Last non deployable due to special duty- DS duty, recruiter, etc.

I also wish the army would do a better job at seeking those with zero deployments and start actively slotting those they can into units to deploy. This way we'd have less e7s-e8s walking around with a lot fuzz on that right sleeve.

I have to disagree with you on that one SFC. There are a lot people who are non-deployable but still assist in the fight. Deployments, in my opinion shouldn't play that big of a role in promotions. What about pregnancy, what about people who are still allowed to serve with prosthetic limbs, there are a lot of what about/ifs. I do agree deploying is a part of the job, basically it is your job. But I don't think just because someone can't go doesn't mean they deserve the boot.

I only partially agree here. If a SM is nondeployable permanently than yes boot their asses. However; if it is temporary as in a pregnancy or injury then no let them heal or have the child then catch up. I do agree that if they are nondeployable they should not be eligible fro promotion.

Even though I'm not in this category, I think it's bull-crap to separate a soldier because they are non--deployable. Most non-deployable soldiers become so simply due to wear and tear on their bodies from Military involvement. If a career soldier is put out because of non-deployability what do we expect them to turn to?
This tallies with the ideology that we are all being used and dumped. there are several areas where they can be useful, after all all soldiers will never deploy that's the factual reality. So instead of separation because a soldier does not meet a criteria, they can be used in many other criteria that they fill, or re-classed if their current MOS is a combat MOS. Instead of wasting their talent.
This is why most Commanders keep some soldiers around even when they cannot make their APFT, but find usefulness in other areas.
Now to balance my point, I think if the soldier is a complete douche-bag that does not even make effort to improve themselves or find themselves other use, that's a completely different category.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with this as a blanket statement. There are a wide variety of reason which may lead to being non-deployable, some of them are short term causes, others not so much.
Additionally, through a number of wars we have used non-deployable military members who are otherwise capable of performing their duties (e.g. these could include family reasons, medical reasons, duty position time gate requirements, etc...), to free others for deployment and to back fill positions so,others may go forward. Being Non-deployable has a number of causes. There is a difference between being non-deployable and unable to perform the duties required for your MOS.
Consider this, would you accept not being promoted when your number came up because you were non deployable due to attending a school, undergoing medical treatment, or some other issue that amounts to bad timing?