Posted on May 4, 2014
If you are non deployable, you shouldn't be able to get promoted. What do you think?
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I think being non deployable is the worst thing in the Army. Nothing worst than watching your Soldiers board the plane to deploy and you are in the rear.
I used to work for a SFC that was non deployable and couldn't even wear her vest lol. I was like seriously, why are you even here? Why are you training us on anything and will not be there when it matters the most?
In my eyes if you are non deployable i don't see why the Army doesn't start a chapter packet on the SM or Leader and send them to the house.
There is another way for the Army to downsize right there.
I think you shouldn't be able to get promoted either. Deploying is the biggest and main part of the being a Soldier. Going to war when needed. If you can't go to war or the freaking field for a field problem then why should you be promoted?
I used to work for a SFC that was non deployable and couldn't even wear her vest lol. I was like seriously, why are you even here? Why are you training us on anything and will not be there when it matters the most?
In my eyes if you are non deployable i don't see why the Army doesn't start a chapter packet on the SM or Leader and send them to the house.
There is another way for the Army to downsize right there.
I think you shouldn't be able to get promoted either. Deploying is the biggest and main part of the being a Soldier. Going to war when needed. If you can't go to war or the freaking field for a field problem then why should you be promoted?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
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There are many reasons; unless you are that individual's rater and/or immediate supervisor, you do not have all the information to make a decision. In other words fellow E-7, "It is NOT your concern."
What do I think? Is it one of MY Airmen? Does that Airman pull his or her weight? Is he or she an asset to our ability to fly, fight and win? Is this service or duty related? Is it a permanent condition? There are TOO many questions to answer first before I can recommend a single, simple yes or no answer.
What do I think? Is it one of MY Airmen? Does that Airman pull his or her weight? Is he or she an asset to our ability to fly, fight and win? Is this service or duty related? Is it a permanent condition? There are TOO many questions to answer first before I can recommend a single, simple yes or no answer.
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Just what I needed, another mindless senior NCO who feels that if you cannot make a 300 on your APFT, you should be flogged, have your dog tags bent, and your meal card stamped “no dessert”. I needed this senior NCO to remind me of how sad I felt and the tears welling up when I watched my unit go forward without me. I needed this senior NCO to have me relive those feelings of uselessness and depression. I needed this SENIOR NCO to show lack of understanding and compassion for an Infantryman who deployed to Grenada and Iraq, but just could not go any further. I needed this SENIOR NON-COMMISIONED OFFICER to remind me of how my Army has changed. Thank you SFC (Join to see), and may God never make you non-deployable.
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Why is everyone so against non-deployable servicemembers? I never understood that. Did anyone ever think that there is a reason, whether it's good or bad, why the member is nondeployable? Also, if they are still in, probably because the military believes that they are still of some use? It just kills me on the level of ridiculousness on many people's take on this subject. Also, SFC (Join to see), you seriously believe that just because someone is non-deployable, they don't deserve a promotion? Seriously? How can you possibly justify this?
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Well battle at least in recommending they stay in. SMA is about to send them packing and he starting from the top.
I have nothing against non deployable Soldiers personally but i feel that it should be held against them when it comes to promotions.
Our main job is to fight and win wars. If you can not deploy, you can not go to the fight.
According to the SMA there are 50k non deployable soldiers in the ranks and All of them are not there to assist us. Some are just holding down slots that someone else could have while they are just cruising to retirement. It's time to send them to the house and I'm all for the SMA assessment of the situation. It's the number 1 problem in the Army and action needs to be taken.
Stay non deployable and not get promoted, get out, or become deployable it's that simple.
I have nothing against non deployable Soldiers personally but i feel that it should be held against them when it comes to promotions.
Our main job is to fight and win wars. If you can not deploy, you can not go to the fight.
According to the SMA there are 50k non deployable soldiers in the ranks and All of them are not there to assist us. Some are just holding down slots that someone else could have while they are just cruising to retirement. It's time to send them to the house and I'm all for the SMA assessment of the situation. It's the number 1 problem in the Army and action needs to be taken.
Stay non deployable and not get promoted, get out, or become deployable it's that simple.
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Two of my brother's were home when I deployed. We three are all retired now.
My brother's got us everything we needed, when we needed it! They got me in country and they got me out!
Yea, they were state side! But, they did a thankless job! They did a job of getting us there & back! They did there job outstanding with no reward!
My brother's watched my six!! If something happened at home (and it did) my brother's took care of it!
So they didn't deploy! Big F-en deal!! They protected me & many other's that did by protecting us from assault on the home front!
My brother's got us everything we needed, when we needed it! They got me in country and they got me out!
Yea, they were state side! But, they did a thankless job! They did a job of getting us there & back! They did there job outstanding with no reward!
My brother's watched my six!! If something happened at home (and it did) my brother's took care of it!
So they didn't deploy! Big F-en deal!! They protected me & many other's that did by protecting us from assault on the home front!
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Non deployable depends if it is temporary no big deal but if this is a career on non deploys then this service member needs to seperated.
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Having retired from the Air Force I could not agree more, far too often individual seem to never deploy and other seem to always deploy. If leadership is the driving force or not if your not deploying why should they have the advantage to study over people that deploy all the time. Leadership makes it clear who they want to promote at least in the Air Force by pampering individuals and not sending them on deployments.
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Agreed. We are paid to defend the nation. If you can not, you are not doing your job.
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Gee, if only there was a system in place that would allow for the most qualified person to be promoted. Leadership skills, communication skills and deployable status. Oh wait a board might work and peer reviews.
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I will stay out of this one. We didn't have multiple deployments over 14 years when I was in. So I back out. Tough question.
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I whole heartedly disagree. In this age of military service, there are many servicemen and women who have given many years of faithful and dedicated service to become "deemed" non-deployable through their military service. After 15 and a half years of service, I had a botched surgery which led me no longer fit to perform as a Cavalry Scout. I was given a P3 profile, reclassified, and told that I would "NEVER" be promoted again. My service to country was not over and I refused for it to be. I continued my service in a non-deployable status and contributed a great deal to every combat service support soldier I encountered. Most service members can provide years of experience and knowledge in other areas when transitioning or moving to an academic position. There is a huge investment made into every military person, don't "get rid of" a great asset because they become non-deployable.
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As I read most of these post, it seems as though we are treating this as a black or white issue. I think we must take into consideration that many of these Soldiers who are currently non-deployable are non-deployable due to issues that were the result of a previous deployment. The Army has become a large, cumbersome, bureaucratic machine. Many times the Soldier realizes that he/she can't deploy and wants to get out but but due to the bureaucracy involved is held until the issue is resolved. In many cases these non-deployable Soldiers feel guilty, embarrassed and ashamed especially those who are unable to handle a weapon because of a psychiatric issue. I have served on active duty and am now a reservist and am also a military technician working as a unit administrator. I have witnessed first hand the bureaucracy at work. I have two Soldiers with issues from previous deployments who are now non-deployable. These Soldiers have been non-deployable for close to three years and completed and submitted all necessary documentation a little over two years ago. These two Soldiers have been waiting for adjudication and final determination or their cases for the past two years. These Soldiers have complied with everything they have been asked to do in order to facilitate the process. Through my time as a unit administrator I have attended training courses, workshops etc. and everyone I speak to says the same thing. Many times Soldiers like those that I have pointed out realize that they can no longer serve and know that it is time to leave but are prevented from doing so. So I think as we discuss this issue we must take into consideration why the Soldier is non-deployable. Is it a result of a deployment or an injury incured in the line of duty? I also think the discussion of what can be done to streamline the process for these Soldiers is long overdue. We need to do what is right for the Army but not at the detriment of these Soldiers who have served honorably. It is very easy to say, as some post I have read...they need to get out...time to send them back to the house...they don't belong. We must all remember that one day anyone of us could be in their position.
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Case by case basis, some people can't control injuries or surgeries, and some injuries can be a direct result of Army training. It should be based on performance as it, kind of, is now. Generalizing all non-deployable as sandbaggers is part of the problem with the Army right now...
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I'm not a soldier, but I know what it was like being non-deployable. It's not a good feeling. But that doesn't mean that service no member is useless. Maybe they shouldn't be in that specific squad or not specific unit but they can be repurposed and every job in the military has a purpose. For some services becoming an NCO is not a small feat. So when someone makes it that far and their careers thrown away it not only the services the military and the service is the service member. The military should expect more and so should we.
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Labeling is the worst thing we can start doing as a professional force. Non-deployable status can be caused by many things, mostly physical limitations. Does that mean the Soldier has nothing to give to his/her peers and subordinates? As an SFC I was non-deployable while I recovered from a back injury. Should I have not been considered for the MSG promotion board? It probably would have ended my career. I was picked up first time primary and ultimately frocked to 1SG.
Certainly if a Soldier's limitations are permanent and prohibits him/her from world wide deployment they need to be appropriately mentored into finding another line of work. But to make the categorical statement that deployability the ultimate criteria to promotion is both short sighted and phobic.
Certainly if a Soldier's limitations are permanent and prohibits him/her from world wide deployment they need to be appropriately mentored into finding another line of work. But to make the categorical statement that deployability the ultimate criteria to promotion is both short sighted and phobic.
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I agree to some of your statement. I am sure we've all come across some non deployable Soldiers. It appears you are painting with a broad brush here.
Just because someone is non deployable does not make them useless.
Unfit fat slobs who don't care about their careers. ...I agree, chapter them out.
Before my last deployment, I was trained by many non deployable soldiers during MOB. They were non deployable do to injuries sustained in combat.
Their experiences allowed our brigade a successful deployment with only one casualty. May he rest in peace.
Experience is gained while doing from trial as well as error. I am sure in your life someone has said to you, hey don't do that, trust me I know from experience. When someone says that, the likelihood is they've tried it and FAILED miserably.
I guess you're one of those people who think your Sh*t don't stink.
I would rather have experienced, competent, Non Deployable Soldiers training my platoon than a deployable know it all jackass setting them up for failure.
Just because someone is non deployable does not make them useless.
Unfit fat slobs who don't care about their careers. ...I agree, chapter them out.
Before my last deployment, I was trained by many non deployable soldiers during MOB. They were non deployable do to injuries sustained in combat.
Their experiences allowed our brigade a successful deployment with only one casualty. May he rest in peace.
Experience is gained while doing from trial as well as error. I am sure in your life someone has said to you, hey don't do that, trust me I know from experience. When someone says that, the likelihood is they've tried it and FAILED miserably.
I guess you're one of those people who think your Sh*t don't stink.
I would rather have experienced, competent, Non Deployable Soldiers training my platoon than a deployable know it all jackass setting them up for failure.
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I hear your frustration, I'm guessing someone was promoted ahead of you and it hurts. Put your service ahead of yourself, focus on your troops.
i think that would and should be determined by why you are not deployable..
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Every case is going to be a little different and deeply personal to someone. Very interesting discussion on balancing being a fighting force and taking care of your people.
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my reply is why are we so focused on nondeployable soldiers when a majority of our force is currently and probably will not be deployed for any of the contingency operations that we are facing right now. It is not like we are hurting for soldiers to put in the fight, this is merely a force shaping tool like they used in the past, however, when the Syria conflict bleeds over to Saudi Arabia or Jordan or even Turkey then you will see the Army going back to those they released pleading for them to come back. I am a nondeployable soldier myself with a permanent S3 profile
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No, you're wrong. There are many reasons for being non-deployable. Most are temporary and most are no fault of the soldier. Punishing a soldier for an injury or illness (or even a pregnancy) is ridiculous, and also quite bad for morale and retention. You won't be healthy forever. Sooner or later, you will be non-deployable for one reason or another. Would you want someone trying to damage or end your career?
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