If you are non deployable, you shouldn't be able to get promoted. What do you think?

Chapter packet?

That's what you do when you fail a PT test. Certainly, if you are non-deployable, the MEB or other process that is required should be followed, and that soldier should exit the service.

But let's be careful what terms we use.

Just feel like rooting my own horn lol.

I understand where you are coming from as I was a Chief in the Navy and have seen this situation. Unfortunately my son (Cav Scout E3) has fallen into this situation and he is sick about it, but there is nothing he can do. He has had a 5 stage spinal fusion and is basically a poster child for healing, He madly wants to deploy and defend his country. Instead the recommendation from his spinal surgeon is to retain him, make him change his MOS, but not allow him to deploy. He has returned to too good of health for them to discharge but are unwilling to let him do what he desires and deploy. They are afraid that if he gets hurt it would be more difficult to fix him.. doctors words in layman terms....... So now that he is not allowed to get out and not allowed to deploy although he desires it, Should he never be allowed to advance........ I think not.....that would be Bullshit. He is still a soldier albeit in rear detachment.

I disagree with this. There are a number of soldiers that may be non deployable due to previous tours. They may have been injured or developed a sickness either while or tour, or even when stateside. To punish those who can otherwise perform their assigned job would be like a misuse of "government property". Yes, it is important to be physically fit to fight...but to say that a Soldier shouldn't be able to compete for promotion is a bit far. And let's not forget, there are positions that these non deployed can fill...and what about rear d. Rear d is no cake walk.
Also, maybe a Soldier can't deploy now, but that doesn't mean that they cannot reach you something about being downrange. Don't judge a book by its cover. Chances are, there is more to the story than the picture you see. Just my humble opinion.

I can understand where you are coming from In this topic however, let me throw a question at you. Say "you" have served for 16 going on 17 years and then get selected for the SFC list just prior to your 7th deployment (two of which you danced very close to death) You arrive at your deployed assignment location with the mental and physical ability(or so you thought) fired up and ready to complete any and every mission tossed your way. Then one morning you wake up unable to see out of your left eye....you go to roll 1 who examine you, they send you to roll 2, they examine you and waste no time firing up a Blackhawk to Evac you to Baghdad. You arrive in Baghdad where you are then sent to Landstuhl German to be told that you have an inflamed and torn optic nerve assoisiate with Multiple Sclerosis. What rolls through your head..."Your a 7 time combat veteran...how can this happen?, My family...what will happen, I was just selected for promotion" These things did happen to me and I'm still sitting here in Landstuhl German awaiting to be sent to San Antonio for more treatment....this after I've been told that I cant go back and be with my shop (NCOIC BTW) and that I will be Nondeployable. So basically what your saying is...this is my fault and a 7 time deployer shouldnt be considered for promotion and kicked out of the Army? Yeah...well I didn't come this far and sacrifice that much to give up and lay down just because there are people like you that feel I'm worthless. Ive had a shining career and held some very rewarding positions in my time and I can still be a great asset to the Army.

I myself got injured in line of duty with a broken hip that the Army refused to fix causing me to become disabled and have a permanent profile. Instead of just releasing me from service, I was moved to HHC Company and assigned to the Battalion PAC. I was given three to four sections that I was soulfully responsible for though I had no training for these positions. However I ended up revitalizing all of them to fully functional section that had not been in proper operating service for better than a year. I took the Battalion Awards to where only one to two medals a year were being issued to troops who by the AR's were qualified to be awarded.. The PAC, had a computer that no one except the civilian female and I working in that office knew how to operate even though they had gone through their required AIT, so that they would know their job! They didn't. I was also given the NEO NCO position as it wasn't even being done at all. For those unaware of what that job is, it's the Coordinator of deploying all local dependents back to the states in the event of War. I was also the Battalion Adjudants assistant. Needless to say that though I was going through my medical boards for being medically discharged from active service, which took two years, I was still able to provide a function that helped all the soldiers in my Battalion. Soldiers who were just receiving certificates for things that medals were made for were now receiving them. The families finally knew what was expected of them in case of emergency and I helped train troops working in the PAC, how to preform some of their everyday jobs to exclude filling in request forms from soldiers who needed help at Finance, JAG, or to have their ID's replaced. Then when my orders came to PCS back to the states for final processing, which took a year, I worked as The SDNCO for the Third Brigade of the 9th ID. I worked a 24 hour shift and two days off. I worked for Gen. Mc Caffrey. So though one gets injured doesn't mean they should be kicked to the curb. To many good men and women are lost this way. My being a Staff Sergeant, at my last medical board was asked to stay in and they would reclassify me with a different MOS, and promised to promote me to SFC. I knew that they had no power to promote me as after E6, your promotions come from DOA. They definitely could have given me an up on it due to who I was working for and the pull that the Officers and Senior NCO's that were on my board had being they were all in high ranking potions. So to say that soldiers who are with disabilities due to their job in line of the same, isn't fair to that soldier. They can always be given the choice to do something that doesn't require combat. Not every soldier in the military goes to a war zone during conflicts. But if they remain in the same MOS and are combat soldiers, then one of two things should take place if they are a soldier in good standing. That being offered a new MOS, or being medically discharged.

Good morning. Your opinion is very broad. You begin by addressing a personal opinion about deployability and end with not going to FTX's. Speaking from past experiences and three deployments, I know of a number of things that are worse than seeing my unit go off to war or the field and not being able to join them.

I am non-deployable due to medical conditions beyond my control. I have gone through two spine surgeries including a fusion, and two knee surgeries within the last 18-20 months. BLUF: My career is over and I know it. As a permanently injured NCO, I understand that my time is done. I do not believe that my beloved Army deserves to have another Soldier holding up a promotion or only halfass leading his Squad in the field due to the previously mentioned issues. Army's first and foremost job is protect the nation. Now that I am no longer able to fulfill my obligations, it's time for me to go. There's no reason to be upset over the E-7's statements. If we cannot deploy (barring temporary problems), then we are no longer needed.

Signed,
A SQD LDR

Disagree. My sons non deployable right now, on profile post an Afghanastan tour for respitory problems. He's his units Deployment Manager, he can pass the Army PT test easily , and he's waiting on word about orders for the 160th SOAR. He's going to fight his profile. He's not skating, he got sick in Afghanistan, it's takes a few years to rebound and he's moving on not out. He's been promoted twice post Afghanastan, he's proven himself in this time period. Not everyone needs to carry a rifle to be productive.

One of the side effects of this opinion is you would be kicking outback lot of people.
* Transgender undergoing their change procedure as they would be nondeployabke during pregnancy, change and post-op treatment. (Yes I know Trump issued a ban but we have yet to see if it will stand).
* Pregnant Soldiers, a friend had a Signal Company where he averaged ~25% non-Denominal at any given time.
* Individuals injured in the line of duty but could still teach necessary skills. Should we shift all the non-Deployables to DIs? Or how about Recruiters, sort of like the Sergeant mentioned in Heinlein's book.
Could go on and on, but a blanket opinion does not work for a blanket policy.