If you are non deployable, you shouldn't be able to get promoted. What do you think?

Right now I am non deplorable as a recruiter and to say that we shouldn't get promoted is assinign. The troops that are non deployable hace a purpose here state side weather it be for a special duty or regular duty. For most it is not our choice to be non deployable.

So SFC Thomas, if i get blown up, fighting for my country and become non deployable, then I should be thrown out because I'm no longer worthy. Somehow, becoming non deployable make me less of a soldier. I hope and pray you never end up like me and a bunch of my brothers and sisters in arms have, injured either training to fight or actually fighting. Because, I'm sure you would be crying another tune. I personally led soldiers in combat, only to return and face a Med Board for an injury that prevented me from completing a standard PT test. The injury did not prevent me from doing my job or leading soldiers. When I was asked why I should be retained, I said I led soldiers in Combat, am I less of a leader now than before. Mine was shortest Med Board in the history of the installation, 1 question, 1 answer. But according to you, I should have been throw out, along with all that good leadership experience. BTW, I retired several years later after leading and mentoring the next generation of war fighters.

DISAGREE 100%! I was medically retired in 2012 after nearly 16 years of service. During this time as I was going through a Med-Board (IDES) I was a Plt. Sgt., Training Room NCOIC, Supply Room NCOIC mind you all at the same time.
We were in the process of changing missions from our normal MOS to another in able to support the overall mission.
I was going to Bn. Briefings, serving as Rear-Detachment NCO, taking all the normal phone calls, emails that the 1SG take to include the 3 a.m. phone calls about "Johnny Joe" needing picked up from the station and/or going to get a Soldier that was in a spat with is wife.
As I am writing this I read the response below by SSG Brian Jones that stated he "would take a non-deployable professional NCO over an unprofessional, toxic leader." I want to say I am not tooting my own horn but some will see that I am and that's okay.
While being afforded the opportunity to attend all medical appointments during this harsh time in my life I continued to serve professionally and assume all duties that were given to me. This was the only way I knew and the only way that I served because I was a team and mission guy. So in the end I whole-heartedly disagree. In my opinion once your records dictate that you are in a med-board process you would not be promoted anyways. You are not able to PCS etc.
Personally I took a lot of flack, but to this day I still get phone calls and emails from former Soldiers still asking advice and wanting to barrow on my experience and leadership. In your question I think you need to step back and look at the question asked. If you are barrowing off experience than so be it.
This is why I like the site though, you can ask questions and get truthful, honest answers.

While deployability is important that doesn't mean the person isn't good at what they do and doesn't have something to offer. Someone who works hard and gets results should be rewarded for them regardless of where they can and can't go.

If the man can do a job for the Army, then that's all I care about. Where he does it doesn't really matter to me.

I disagree completely. According to your post anyone who is non deployable should not be allowed to promote... Where I am stationed my unit is non deployable simply because our home mission is just as important if not more important than being out in the field and we have a separate unit with the same job that is designated for deployments. So if what you said was in effect we would not promote simply due to our mission at home. Also sometimes those people you see who can't do something have temporary medical profiles that restrict them from doing certain things. What if that woman is pregnant and you just can't tell yet so they instruct her not to wear a vest. Also why are you going to punish someone who has a TEMPORARY set back. Sometimes you have to look at a situation past what your eyes show you and as a whole, ask her why she can't wear a vest and take into account what her situation is rather than spewing hate about it.

If you can't do the Job, you need make room for someone who can do the job. I've got a friend who deployed over 75 months since 9-11. He has a blood issue requiring a thinner. He is non deployable with a chest full of medals. He got promoted to e-8 with 3 years until retirement. He is training soldiers with his vast knowledge. I sure there are other soldier who couldn't carry his boots that need to be discharged. Before we get rid of these guys & gals, let replace the thousands of band members with an ipod.

i think it would depend on the indiv. and what they bring to the party as a skill set. and how they became non-deployable, but I have to agree with you. i have seen some sad donut punchers that were IMO an embarrassment to the svc, And also some stove up warriors who at 70% still soldiered better than most of the rest. I think it all depends on the circumstances.

This post makes me sick. I see some like to quote the part of the Soldiers creed "I stand ready to deploy, engage..." And yet they forget about the other part "I will never leave a fallen comrade".
A good leader knows how to use ALL his Soldiers to accomplish the mission. Their weaknesses and their strengths. If we have Soldiers who get hurt in the line of duty, how can we even for a second turn our backs on them???
The new SMA stated there are 50,000 nondeployable Soldiers that need to go. So the plan is to get rid of these 50,000, recruit another 50,000, break them, wash-rinse-repeat. Do we really think there is an endless supply of civilians willing to take their place? Do we really think we have the money to continue this expensive cycle?? Can we really afford to let the experience of those 50,000 go?? Are you kidding me?? I can't say enough how disgusted I am with the ones who think deployability is everything.
And by the way, this is why there is regulations that prevent leaders from sending a Soldier packing based strictly on deployability. Check out AR 635-40. A soldier will not be referred to MEB solely based on deployability.

It depends, if someone is in an MOS that needs to be done "in theatre" then yes, they can't do their job and shouldn't be promoted.

HOWEVER, if someone is indispensable and in an MOS that can be done effectively without deployment (I'm thinking network geek or global hawk pilot) then why not? We don't want to loose high demand, training intensive (and expensive) personnel because they have no future in the military.

I disagree. Blanket statements are too broad.

Each case must be handled individually (would you want to have an adverse action process against yourself as part of a blanket unevaluated decision? - I suspect not.)

You can become non-deployable for a number of reasons, not all of the within your control.

What if that Soldier's nondeployment status is because of a deployment? Are you going to hold a solider back that has put in his/her time?

If you are serving the country in uniform ... you ARE deployed from civilian life and promotions should be based on merit and experience in your job, wherever you are based. The service does not run on special forces or front line troops alone. Never forget those whose job is to support ... in their own way.

Forgive my lack of knowledge about this subject, but I was active duty during the eighties before there was a need to deploy. What exactly constitutes being Non deployable?

My husband and I were both active duty when I was in and they said both parties couldn't be eligible for TDY at the same time would that make me Non deployable because we had young children?

I speak from the experience of age, not all jobs need to be done at a forward location would that make those specialities ineligible for promotion? What if they became injured while active duty? Do we then cast them aside? Unless they are unable to work and earn a living they should be given the opportunity to reach retirement like any civilian organization. We all don't need to hump a 50 pound pack up a hill to be a valuable military asset.

That's a tough question to answer because sometimes your not deployable due to medical reasons beyond your control and you should not be denied the opportunity to compete for advancement because of your deployable status.
I was on Limited Duty twice in my career because of TBI and both times I was told by a Chief that being on LIMDU screwed me for promotion, unofficially of course.
In my personal opinion I do think that selection boards are very biased and they have little to do with a service members actual ability to do a job at the next higher rank and more with who you know.
Yes some will say I am pissed off because I never got promoted to E-7, but I do wonder how some people got promoted over me when my service record was much better than theirs was. And yes I am talking about people I know who worked with me and I know my record was better because I had seen their records and they did not have the collateral duties or various leadership positions that I had held. But in the end it is what it is.

So for clarification if a SM has been deployed encountered injuries because they were probably doing more than twirling their thumbs they should be released? Well I guess there's a few phenomenal Commander's, SGMs, and senior NCOs I know that we have to give pink slips to now. They're just holding us all back with that darn outstanding leadership and wisdom.

I understand what your saying but everyone is not the same. There was a General of the Third Army that thought the same way you did. He even slap a couple of soldiers around not because they were physically hurt but mentally they could not take it. Great General and I really mean that but not everyone saw his point of view and it hurt his career and him too.

That makes no sense!! My question to you is would you rather have a person back in the rear that knows there stuff and train soldiers up to par or have or deploy everyone leaving no one to be able to train the replacement soldiers that you lose either by E.T.S' K.I.A Medical? Every know you don't take everyone. In every situation be it in the movies or in real life you leave some one back either to train or to be able to supply the unit that is deployed and if it is a non deployable person it is better because that person knows what is expected and yes very valuable to the unit in so many way. Promotion yes!!! Now if that person is non deployable and a total f--k up and is not of any value no!!

And you, Sergeant, are one of the things wrong with the Army today. How about you worry about you and making yourself a better leader, instead of ragging on those that have been there, done that, and now teach it better than you can probably even guess. But no, you want to stand on your highhorse and judge instead

I am in that boat right now of not being fully mission capable, and it sucks to know that my career is over. Being hurt and being looked at by leaders like yourself who would rather force out a soldier who is injured than ensure that soldier is taken care of and processed out of the military like they should be is the reason our military is going downhill. Once I get back stateside I plan on starting my med board process and get what I deserve, but as you know it takes time to get this process going and just chaptering a soldier out who deserves to be med boarded is the wrong answer.