Posted on Jun 16, 2014
If you could remove one AR 670-1 regulation which would it be?
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Michael Horne
I have to agree with the Major why have pockets if you can’t put your hands in them to keep them warm.
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Anything relating to the wearing of a cape. No one should be allowed to wear a cape...ever...under any circumstance...unless you're at a Halloween party...dressed as Dracula. Other than that - no capes.
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CPT (Join to see)
COL (Join to see) - All that follows presumes that the only outer garment permitted by AR 670-1 is still the "boat" cloak. The last time I was dressed in "white tie" I was no where near the air intakes of a jet engine.
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COL (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see), that's the kind of thinking that gets people sucked into jet engines.
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CPT (Join to see)
Oh well, I am very fatalistic. ;-) Nevertheless if the Marines find it to be acceptable for wear, that's good enough for me. Their uniform looks very nice and I never heard anyone confuse their mess dress with anything other than a uniform.
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CPT (Join to see)
Boonie caps can on occasion affect your ability to hear the enemy (especially at night).
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MSG William Hesser
CPT (Join to see) - We in the SF always used 'boonie' hats. and it does not hinder your ability to hear. In fact it 'cups' the noise onto your ear much better.
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I was an 18A and I usually used a PC at night whenever in Europe or other non-"buggy" places. They taught us back in the dark ages that hearing was not enough, but directional perception was enhanced by a bare ear. The new tech may have solved that problem for this crop of troopers.
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SFC Michael Madigan
Head phones posse a safety issue, runners do not pay attention to their surrounding. The earphones cause a distraction, way too many times were I have almost hit a runner because they were wearing headphones.
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MSgt (Join to see)
NOTICE THE (APFT) in his statement. Most APFT's are done on a track or some controlled environment. I agree with Sgt Oliver. If your running on the road then use your head and use one ear bud.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
?? Mind you, I've been out of the military now for seven years...are headphones allowed in uniform?...even a APFT uniform? Wow, the Army has changed in seven years.
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I have to say that the mustache regulation doesn't make a lot of sense. Forcing one to trim their mustache to the corner of their lips is essentially telling some of them to look like Hitler. I would allow the width of the mustache to follow the natural horizontal growth above their lip, but limit the vertical growth to a line parallel with the crease of their mouth. No goatee or fu Manchu growth, but there is nothing wrong with a full and well groomed mustache.
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SSG John Morgan
Yes,these tribal-native bush beards everyone has these days would be a real killer if hit with Sarin etc....IT HAPPENS,believe me.
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SGM Harvey Boone
ID 10 T card holders want to look good there is a reason for every reg even if they do sound stupid.
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MSG William Hesser
There are obvious reasons for the no beard and minimal mustache. Primarily it is a hygiene issue and has been proven to also be a deter-ant to hand to hand combat.
However, in SF we often have to blend in with the people we are working with. Good example in Afghanistan. Our team members would dress and grow beards along wit all we were doing to help them, in order to win their trust.
However, in SF we often have to blend in with the people we are working with. Good example in Afghanistan. Our team members would dress and grow beards along wit all we were doing to help them, in order to win their trust.
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I'd do away with the hair policies. I think it's moronic to shave the heads of men for basic training, but the women can keep all theirs. Men must maintain short hair during their careers while women can have long hair. Why not hold men and women to the same standards when it comes to hair?
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SFC Gary Fox - The Navy eliminated facial hair because of poor seals on gas masks.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
Nothing wrong with "basic-training" short hair. It's easy to maintain; wash, soap up, and out the door. I still keep mine short...plus it doesn't show the grey hair either!
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SGT (Join to see)
I’ve been saying this for ever, 1) the proper seal of the gas mask isn’t a issue because if it was SF wouldn’t be allowed to do this and as far as the hair standards female can have braid dreads corn rows shaved hair and Justin Bieber hair but god forbid if I don’t have my weekly fade or my hair barely touches my eyebrows
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I don't get all the people who join the military but want everything to fit their individual pleasures, style, etc. Hang out on the block with Jody if you want long hair and a big gold ring piercing through your sack!
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Sgt Joseph Baker - Cheap shot, but I forgive you. Everyone cannot be an Army Ranger. "The best are called, but even fewer can hack it".
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SMSgt John Clifford
CPT (Join to see) - Obviously Sgt Baker is right and it appears you missed the Junior Officer Senior NCO Training course. Regs including personal appearance are there for a reason. Individual expression in uniform is NOT an option.
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SMSgt John Clifford - No it is not and it is also obvious you missed my point entirely. My comment simply addressed the impropriety of comments that make the Army appear to be the only branch that is having a difficulty with quality in the general recruit. But to make my point, "Air Force Gloves" are certainly not new and before I met PJs, CCTs, and a lot of aviators, I was significantly underwealmed by the general appearance of most non-combat Air Force personnel. It was not a fair observation when I first made it and neither are your comments. Lastly, the Air Force may have "junior officers" but the Army has "Company Grade Officers" which carried a heavy responsibility for our recent successes. Remember the operational plan for "The Surge" in Iraq was for the most part led by 2/LTs and SSGs. SF and Rangers assisted but it was the regular soldiers that gained the victory. Air support in a city is really dicey.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
One thing I recall about being a Marine: almost nobody ever quoted some regulation number like they spent the whole night reading the regs. When I attended my son's graduation at Fort Jackson, what I noticed after the ceremony, when soldiers were just hanging out with family, or with each other, there were plenty who were talking about how to get by this reg or that rule. I thought, "You just graduated basic training and it seems all you learned was how to avoid following Army rules!" My son looked somewhat uncomfortable listening to them, knowing his jarhead father was listening to them, because he seemed to take being in the Army like a job and not some gameshow. Back to where I started, the Corps, you just knew you had better wear the uniform one way, the Corps way, and your haircut choices were short and really short, and you didn't mouth off to people of higher rank unless you wanted to have a very unpleasant time. I didn't see any male Marines with earrings or piercings or anything that took away from that locked and cocked and squared away image that each Marine acquired during boot camp. Once-a-Marine, Always-a-Marine wasn't just a slogan for former Marines, it also meant you did not stop looking and acting like a Marine just because bootcamp was over.
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I just think growing a beard and a mullet would really accentuate my ACUs
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SGM Harvey Boone
And your still a SFC should be a PVT then or get out and grow what ever you want don't cultivate on you face what grows wild on your ass. Your not in the islamic army here "I HOPE"
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PV2 Kinder,
It'd definitely be 3-6 (d), using electronic devices while walking. It's such a pain in the butt when I have to keep stopping to respond to someone's texts, when I could just walk/text at the same time. Invariably, the sender is requesting an update and wanting to know how long until I return, and there's no respectful way to say, "If you would stop texting me, I would've been there already." LOL
It'd definitely be 3-6 (d), using electronic devices while walking. It's such a pain in the butt when I have to keep stopping to respond to someone's texts, when I could just walk/text at the same time. Invariably, the sender is requesting an update and wanting to know how long until I return, and there's no respectful way to say, "If you would stop texting me, I would've been there already." LOL
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CW3 (Join to see)
That bama is the reason why I have an autoanswering app for text messages. I can program it for different messages for different people.
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SPC Jennifer Collings
I've done it. "Sgt, I'm around the corner, I would be next to you but I had to stop to take a call."
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SPC Kelley McMahan
Best one I ever saw, Airman at MacDill on cell when taps played, One of the guys from SOCOM saw him, waited until taps was over and proceeded to jump in said Airman's backside to the degree that he marched him in the building so call his wing to come pick him up. That was plain total and complete loss of military bearing and wholly unacceptable no matter the rank, no matter the branch.
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