Posted on Jun 16, 2014
If you could remove one AR 670-1 regulation which would it be?
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I hate the new VERY LIMITING policy on females' "medium" haircuts (it can have no more than one inch difference in length from front to back). Everyone I know with shorter hair wears it bobbed, longer in the front, shorter in the back. It is universally flattering, stays off the collar, and doesn't look like a crappy pageboy in front. We have no wiggle room now (for those of us who care about complying with the regulation). I understand that many females really pushed the limit with their hair and as a result we are all paying for it.
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LTC (Join to see)
lol. This is the one I thought of as well. The old BDUs had longer collars than the ACUs/Multi-cams. There was a good 1/2" difference in the uniform collar lengths and that was sufficient to wear my hair loose and not have to cut it every week. Realize guys get their hair cut every 7-10 days, but a salon trim vs. a barber cut is 3x (or more) expensive. I wear my hair long for this reason alone.
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CPL Anne (Karpinski) Pfeiffer
that's not a bobbed cut. a bobbed cut is where the hair is the same length on the entire head with the exception of bangs if person wants them. this is a bobbed cut
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SGT (Join to see)
I think what she's talking about is an angled bob. It usually looks nice but it has a tendency to look trashy and unprofessional if you don't take care of it and style it properly.
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The black beret... Berets should be reserved for specialty jobs and elite forces.
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SGT Jon Creager
Tankers are elite forces, there was a time when US Army tankers wore the black beret.
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Beards.... def beards .. I was unaffected because I have a shaving profile ... but even if I could shave I'd rather not
During my second deployment our unit actually grew them out ... we didn't shave until it was time to redeploy home
During my second deployment our unit actually grew them out ... we didn't shave until it was time to redeploy home
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Para.4-3..."Soldiers may wear the combat uniform off-post, unless prohibited by the commander."
I have seen this a lot and it does not look very good in my eyes. For so many years, we were forbidden to wear fatigues except to and from work and making a short stop at a store. I will always think of combat uniforms as a work uniform and not one to wear when in the general public ie: shopping malls, eating establishments, etc. Oh well, it's probably good that I retired when I did.
I have seen this a lot and it does not look very good in my eyes. For so many years, we were forbidden to wear fatigues except to and from work and making a short stop at a store. I will always think of combat uniforms as a work uniform and not one to wear when in the general public ie: shopping malls, eating establishments, etc. Oh well, it's probably good that I retired when I did.
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CPL Anne (Karpinski) Pfeiffer
actually, this has changed. Now they are not supposed to ever wear it off post unless on their way to work or on their way home to stop and get gas, or something like that. My husband is Battalion CMDR right now and he said a lot of people were pissed when it came down that it was no longer allowed. But-- as he says-- who's out there at Red Lobster or Kroger policing it?!
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SSG (Join to see)
What ever happened to the "Uniform of the Day", typically being the service uniform to be worn by all on that installation, and "Alternate Uniform of the Day", to be worn by those whose duties on that particular day would result in rendering their service uniform unserviceable i.e. working in the motorpool, maintenance, driving a tactical vehicle, under field conditions. The combat uniform is a lazy uniform and therefore should not be seen on a regular basis. I have an issue stopping off post to pick up dinner in uniform, i drive the 20 minutes home to change to drive the 20 minutes to the closest supermarket (right outside the main gate of the post, FT. Drum) to pick up dinner because I was raised to not wear my combat uniform in public unless absolutely necessary or you run the risk of getting hem'd up by a CSM
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PFC Charles Sanders
SSG (Join to see) - So why should you have to drive 40 extra minutes simply because of the uniform you're currently wearing? What sense does that make? I understand why this was the policy during the Vietnam era with all of the protests. That reason is irrelevant now. While I agree you shouldn't be hanging out at the strip club in your ACUs, what's wrong with stopping at Kroger for a gallon of milk because it's on your way home. This never made sense to me, and still doesn't.
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SSG (Join to see)
PFC Charles Sanders - It was actually the policy for the Marines until about 2005. They started doing away with it slowly, first you could stop and get gas or something from the store for that nights dinner, then allowed you to pickup dry cleaning and get a haircut. I was also raised in a Navy household from 1983 to 2003 when I originally enlisted and have been serving continuously since in the Marines then and now the Army. Old habits die hard. The fact is the combat uniform was not originally meant for everyday wear and it was considered distasteful for the American public to see you out and about in it, that is why we have service uniforms for everyday wear and dress uniforms for special occasions. I understand the Army now has only one service/dress uniform and the military as a whole has done away with the whole uniform of the day policy and has opened the door to wearing it out in public. Further, the Korean/Vietnam war periods is when we started seeing a dedicated combat uniform. Before then it was just a service uniform that was used both on and off duty with slight alterations for field/combat conditions. In fact if you go back to to the civil war and before your uniform was the only authorized attire for service members to wear, they werent allowed to wear civilian attire. And if you look at the state of the world today with all of the people wishing to do us harm it makes even more sense to restrict uniform wear to the post and have slightly more liberal grooming standards to allow us to blend in more so as not to paint a larger target on our backs. In a tactical environment we would call it hard targeting, service members, especially those who are old school and or very proud of their service, stick out like a sore thumb these days with the lack of facial hair and short hair cuts making us an easily identified target for those who only want to hurt the country and its war fighters.
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Brown t shirt for PTs. Then go ahead and get rid of the winter PTs and just wear that camo. ECWS windbreaker. Add matching windpants. We'd have so much more room in a duffel bag.
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Facial hair restrictions. It doesn't really affect gas mask seals with the newer mask designs, and it's just painful to see a cavalryman without a proper mustache. There is no way to wear a proper cavalry mustache and not be out of regulations with things as they are. Heck, if cavalry can't wear proper mustaches, (think handlebars) then we might as well call ourselves mounted infantry.
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MAJ John Adams
CPL Anne (Karpinski) Pfeiffer - I've seen that research before. I don't believe they included the current (actually previous, considering my dates of service) Army mask in the testing. It seals across a very broad area, and was designed to seal over dirt, grit, and mud. It had to be, or it would be useless. Most of the Army's clean-shaven attitude is based on sanitation, with just a touch of fashion (from WWI through about 1960) thrown in. The gas mask seal issue is used to get more willing compliance from the troops, because nobody wants a mask leak.
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CPL Anne (Karpinski) Pfeiffer
MAJ John Adams - y daughter is actually a 74D (Todays NBC MOS) and she says they still use this study at AIT. and they still go by these regulations. She said they even witnessed the testing of some people with facial hair and the current pro-mask and they said it does not seal properly. This is what she does for a living plus she also has a college degree in WMD's and CBRN as well. So i trust her. just my 2 cents.
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MAJ John Adams
CPL Anne (Karpinski) Pfeiffer - I trust her too! I won't try to refute any of your data since I can't find a like to the study I'm thinking of, and it was also not done with the current mask. I believe it was done with the M-17, which is the mask I used throughout my troop unit time, and the only one I'm familiar with. (Hated that thing!!)
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PV2 Kinder,
I would allow Enlisted Engineer soldiers to wear the Essayons Buttons on their dress uniform.
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1SG Haro
I would allow Enlisted Engineer soldiers to wear the Essayons Buttons on their dress uniform.
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1SG Haro
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PO1 Felix Rivera
I would have to agree with the private. If it identifies and it's authorized why not? Calvary is allowed to wear the cowboy hat with gold tassels.
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Bring back the khaki (tan) uniform! Office personnel, recruiters, drill sergeants look much more professional when they are wearing a uniform appropriate for an office setting! Nothing worse than looking to someone representing their service, and having them look like a Sad Sack! ACU's, BDU's, etc are work and field gear. But if you work in an office, you should have the "business professional" attire suitable for that environment!
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I would say change the facial hair policy. My wife love my goatee and hates the fact that i have to shave it every month.
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PV2 Kinder -
As much as I'm sure it'll be covered, I am heavily in favor of reverting the tattoo policy. Provided a service member's ink isn't wildly offensive, it being above or below the mark (knee, elbow, neckline) has absolutely no bearing on the professionalism of the individual. Some of the greatest leaders I've encountered, officer and enlisted, have had ink visible in the PFU.
As much as I'm sure it'll be covered, I am heavily in favor of reverting the tattoo policy. Provided a service member's ink isn't wildly offensive, it being above or below the mark (knee, elbow, neckline) has absolutely no bearing on the professionalism of the individual. Some of the greatest leaders I've encountered, officer and enlisted, have had ink visible in the PFU.
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
I'm sitting here replying to these comments, and I see yours wondering why you haven't been updated on the policy being reverted...not realizing this whole post is 2 years old.
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