Posted on Feb 16, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.

What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?

Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?

How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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LTC Ken Connolly
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I would notify the authorities to investigate the matter. Sometimes personal opinion on legality is not always correct.
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SPC Matt Johnson
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I remember a case where a civilian female contractor was raped and nailed in a box for i don't remember how long and almost died. she survived but ended up with brain damage and PTSD. the soldiers involved got only a slap on the wrist. she got sent back to the states and let go from her contractors job. the whole chain of command deserved to be put in jail for what happened to that woman. her attackers are still free today. technicalities and evil fucking people in command positions allowed soldiers to get away with the gang rape and torture of an innocent women. I only know of it because I met the women.
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SGT Marika Waiters
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I think I answered this way back when. But I was confronted with this scenario several times while on active duty. I confronted the leader(s), and then reported them. In the end, after the war, they found a way to force me out of the military. It wasn't productive for me but later I found out nearly all involved in the "happy" little unlawful bunch were either booted, busted down, or forced to retire. It took IG & other investigative arms to get thru their investigations but at least it got those piss poor leaders out of the military!
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SGT George Smith
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No question. Turn him in.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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I think I will sleep on it. I might even allow them to make up the loss if it is not significant. Anything in the thousands, I will report.
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Lt Col John Culley
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Call the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate, engage a private attorney or write my Congressman depending on the problem.
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SGT JoyceAnn Richmond
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A warrant officer and I went from Fort Ord to Presidio San Francisco in a Deuce one day to pick up some supplies for the Supply School. On the way back, he had me stop at a crossroads bar. I had to stay with the truck. It was a hot day and after about two-and-a-half hours or so, I was thirsty and would kind of liked to get back to the fort. I discovered he was on his fourth or fifth drink! He didn't see me at first; I went to the water fountain and drank my fill of water, then visited the ladies' room. I came back out and shouted "Mr. Jones, shouldn't we be getting back?" He was furious! Locked my heels out by the truck. I was so angry myself by that time that it came out in tears.

The next day, I found that he had put me on report for the incident. Capt. A called me into his office and asked me what happened. I told him the unvarnished truth. Guess who got shipped out the following day? (Not me...)
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SSG Clayton Lam
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You could try speaking to them first. I always learned that in the army that you should try handling things at the lowest level. Use your chain of command but make sure that you are not jumping to conclusions or making assumptions. If I knew, without a doubt, that something illegal was occurring, I would report it because if you knew and they are busted and during the investigation they found out you knew, then you could get in trouble for not having reported it. I would get more professional advice from someone like JAG or another NCO (a trustworthy one). Just be careful for yourself, the person you suspect is doing something shady, and for your unit.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
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Like I said, CYA at all times!
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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I would do what I did in the military - I sacrificed my career to expose three TAGs for misappropriation of title 20 mobilization funds for personal and political projects not slated for at least a decade during IOF I and II. I knew I would NEVER see rank after that.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
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The IG was always a good source to trust only if you had documents and statements from eye witnesses.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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SFC Chuck Martinez - I worked with DFAS directly
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1st Lt Rick Gauthier
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This can be a double edged sword. I do not condone illegality or fraud by any extent. Sometimes there is a lack of understanding and it can be an interpretation as illegal. If you accuse someone of fraud or breaking the law, make sure you are correct because if you are mistaken will brand you for life. Get the whole facts before proceeding. Use peers as sounding boards and others out of your chain of command as mentors. If it is indeed illegal or fraud you have no choice other than to do something about it.

As an Aviator and Airline Captain I come across a lot of individuals who do not understand the intricacies of some of the rules. Military rules for flying and civilian are similar but not exact. Clarifying the differences is often one of my most challenging parts of being a line captain instructor. It is not about fraud but can be construed as doing something illegal. Often showing a subordinate a number of supporting documents can quell the concerns.
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