Posted on Feb 16, 2016
If you found out your Leader or Immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law, like fraud, what would you do?
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.
What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?
Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?
How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?
Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?
How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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My state surgeons office, the soldier's unit, and my boss in the s1 tried strong arming me to process an unlawful separation. The guy was medically flagged after being involved in an IED blast and seeing fellow soldiers killed. He was under psychiatric care at the time his unit said he was AWOL for missing annual training. Sorry chief, he's not AWOL and I'm not separating him. Well that put a target on my back as my unit leadership and his unit leadership were friendly. I was screwed out of my medical board and unlawfully separated. I can't say much more as some people are still being investigated for defrauding soldiers of medical due process. At least the VA squared me away. 100% permanent and total. The initial investigations involving line of duty determinations being tossed aired on NBC investigates if you want to check it out. Just Google my name and line of duty NBC.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
Seeing a wrong being done and not reporting it, will hunt you for the rest of your life. Doing the right thing is always the best option, but always have backup witnesses to cover your ass!
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SPC Daniel Dresen
SFC Chuck Martinez exactly. I have quite a few witnesses and emails especially with regard to one illegal separation which is still part of an investigation. A few careers have ended because of it. Everything was triggered by a phone call. The soldier was looking for his separation records. He sent me his file an hour before his unit tried to have him booted for unsatisfactory participation. The problem is, he was under psychiatric care. The amount of regulations violated and HIPPA laws trounced on... we both shared out story with NBC and he's been primarily working with the investigation. I gave sworn affidavits and agreed to testify if needed. He ended up ETS'ing and was retroactively reenlisted and referred to a board in the process of the investigation. I just wonder how many more soldiers fell through the cracks. We had another from this same unit, similar situation. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to get help and passed. That's the stuff that broke me. I lost all passion for the job.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
In my many years in the army, I have seen field officers and NCOs relieved of duty and some sent to Leavenworth. It's better to come home every day with a clear conscience and not having to worry about anything. Honesty is the best policy, my commander at Ft. Shafter, HI was relieved from duty for having an affair with a SP4. There are a lot of criminal cases on file that involve military personnel of all ranks!
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Being a Master at Arms in the Navy, It would be my duty to report it The chain of command would have to decide on any legal procedure from there.
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Analyze the situation, no one is all bad nor good either. If he can be reason with, confronting him would be the first. If not, how his boss is like. If the relationship with your frauding boss is too good, how I can let things be known without me in the spotlight. Trying to solve it in-house first. Inferential action is better than direct action so, who should be aware of the matter that can blow the whistle without me being involved. If all else fails, be a man do return the Uncle Sam a favor and blow that whistle; after all, he writes my paycheck not my boss. Seven steps of problem-solving come in handy in this case.
After all, I've been there done that, never get passed E6. I have no problem doing it again. Loyalty to my chain of command is obligated by title/position. Loyalty to the Army and Uncle Sam is by the love and my own integrity. Furthermore, fraud by my boss will affect my Soldiers' well-being. They are the many and my boss is the few.
After all, I've been there done that, never get passed E6. I have no problem doing it again. Loyalty to my chain of command is obligated by title/position. Loyalty to the Army and Uncle Sam is by the love and my own integrity. Furthermore, fraud by my boss will affect my Soldiers' well-being. They are the many and my boss is the few.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
There is no loyalty in criminal acts, you turn your back, you are just as bad as they are. I did not do in my military nor in my law enforcement carrier. I took an oath to serve and protect others, and criminals were not part of that oath!
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I believe going the I G route would be a good first step, no luck there then CID.
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Rat that bitch out... go higher and JAG will for sure take that ass to court
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Just saying something now during the last 5 days of the election? Shame on you!!!!
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Congratulations! It happens all the time. First find out what your chain of command policy is on filling a whistleblower Reprisals complaint? It’s very important to follow the proper process of filling a completely filled out form. Look up DoD office of the inspector general hotline.
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I worked for a married E-8 who was having an affair with an E-5's wife. He tried to hook me up with one of her friends, and used me to get away from his wife to spend time with his cheater. While I didn't turn him in, I forced a transfer to not have to work with him anymore. Ended up getting a bad evaluation out of it. I guess to me, if I had to do it over again, I would have just minded my own business. Every situation is different, but that was my experience from a long time ago.
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