Posted on Feb 16, 2016
If you found out your Leader or Immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law, like fraud, what would you do?
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.
What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?
Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?
How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?
Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?
How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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I would report it right away, knowing that a crime was/is being committed and not report it, you can be charged. As a former Law enforcement officer for 20 years, I have processed some cases like this. Coming forward is the best option, hiding it, you become an accessory to the crime, and can be charged accordingly!
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Excellent question. One of the best I've seen in a long time on RP. Didn't catch it the first time around... so thanks for digging it up. This topic is well suited for a leadership discussion on ethics and how it impacts in the workplace. I see questions like this as one of the primary purposes for which RP was created. It's a great facilitator for an open discussion on ethics in a "What would you do?" scenario. You could practically make a documentary out of this topic!
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For me, it would be and always was simple. I'd contact CID and file a formal report.
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Years ago when I was a detachment commander, our organization kept getting new computers and other expensive IT stuff we couldn't use. In two years, I literally was issued at least 10 new computers and laptops! I once got 3 new computers in a 2 week period and had to return the "old" ones. I knew there was fraud, waste, and abuse; so I complained to the program manager in D.C. (a retired O-6 I trusted and respected) and let him know all the issues. A few months later, I couldn't reach him. Turns out he was the one responsible for the fraud and the FBI had rolled him up and a few others. They ran a multi-million dollar kick-back scam. I had to make an inventory of all our stuff and submit a statement. I learned that if you suspect fraud, waste, and abuse; use the online system in place to report it. You never know who is involved.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
Amen Jared, you definitely did the right thing!! A criminal has many faces and sometimes they can be really close to you!
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I refused and was sent to the old man for insubordination and when I gave the evidence to the skipper I was labeled a piece of shit via a meaningless Letter of Instruction. I filed an IG complaint and after two years of miserable hell I was sent LIMDU because I’m “crazy” coincidentally on the same day I was accepted to cross rate, a dream of mine since I joined. But it could all just be “I just don’t get it.”
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SFC Chuck Martinez
As a former retired military and DOD law enforcement officer, I saw both sides of the spectrum. I had to seek and deal with context from realizable sources. To cover my ass, I used to demand written statements, any evidence or sources. CYA was always my approach because I did not want to be caught in some BS schemes or lies. Sometimes those who you think you know will try to get you in some trap. This happened to me in a bank Robbery, in Clayton Country, GA. in the Mid 90s. I wrote up a statement which was challenged by two other officers. I went on took a polygraph with the statement in my hand without telling anyone. When I was called in, I just put the certified polygraph on the desk with a copy of my statement, and walked out. A week later, I was transferred to Washington DC three months before 911! That's me, four years later in Jacksonville, FL. drug enforcement unit!
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I recall an incident in 1969 RVN when C-Day came, un- announced as was the practice when MPC' were being changed. All troops were restricted to base. A first SGT handed a Vietnamese soldier a handful of Vietnamese Piasters to bring to the village. Since MPC held by the black markets would be worthless, he would exchange the Piasters' for the out going MPC' at a high rate, and turn them in and pocket the profits. I'm sure this was not an isolate incident. No, I didn't report the incident, as at the time, I didn't quite understand the magnitude of the incident.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
In the army, we have the CID, and that is the first place you should go when the command is involved. I worked with these guys in DC and they do some good work. They have to keep all evidence under wrap until ready to present it to the JAG.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
Only when it's an open and shut case, otherwise, the accuser might become the accused.
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As a former retired military and law enforcement officer, honestly, I would confront them first and if in fact they are guilty of fraudulent activities, I would turn them in. In fact, it is a crime if it was/were being committed and you looked the other way and not report it, you can also be prosecuted. You automatically become a witness of a criminal act. In the military, you report it to a higher chain of command with proof of, in the civilian world to the top supervisor also with proof of!! This is what is called a double edge sword, simply because others can also be involved and that can become very dangerous!
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SFC Chuck Martinez
SGT George Duncan - The thing though George, you have ro cover your back by involving others. Doing it alone, is actually not an option.
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