Posted on Feb 16, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.

What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?

Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?

How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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A1C Riley Sanders
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COL burroughs :
If you found out your leader or immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law,
like fraud, what would you do.
I feel confronting this individual is not the way to handle this situation as very likely guilty of the same offense prior to present one.
I feel should forward to a higher ranking supervisor above immediate supervisor .
I was faced with situation regarding a Pastor who was hitting on women in the Church he was Pasturing, "At the time i was a head Elder" a young divorcee approached me regarding this situation ,
The Pastor was fairly new , we were a small Church and he came with a past , however recommended to us by the Conference, Rather than take it to the the Church Board, I took it to the Conference that recommended this man to the Church. Now in the hands of the Conference,
it was their decision to dismiss this Pastor ( fired )
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MSG Raymond Davis
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As a MP/CID Special Agent I would treat them like anyone else and "DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE". A criminal is a criminal. No one is above the law.
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GySgt Marc Dickerson
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I was a brand new Marine SSgt (E-6) assigned to an Intelligence govt contracts section at Quantico. Was there a couple of months and had uncovered some irregularities with a subcontractor. But I was the new guy, and wanted to see it through for a while. Soon discovered my LtCol and W.O. discussing their retirement plans with the CEO and GM of this same subcontractor. Seems the LtCol and W.O. had jobs lined up with this company, which was against the rules. Since this was a Top Secret intelligence "black box" contract, our chain-of-command and reporting procedures were different than the normal established procedures. I documented everything I knew, and informed my senior enlisted boss. After he confirmed everything I had discovered, he and I both followed procedure on reporting the problems up our chain of command. About a week after we submitted our findings, we were pulled from the section. My enlisted boss was immediately approved for retirement (which he did not want), and I received orders for Recruiters School. We were ordered not to discuss anything with anybody under threat of violating security. We both immediately requested mass, contacted JAG, contacted our senators and congressman, the CG's office, and IG's office, and got a retired JAG Col. to represent us as our private attorney. When the dust settled a year later, and after many interviews and threats of reprisals, the W.O. and LtCol were retired with no charges. The subcontractor was removed from all Marine contracts, but no charges filed. My former enlisted boss was so disgusted, he decided to retire. I was on recruiting duty, and eventually retired 11 years later. I was disappointed in how it was all handled. But such is life. Live and learn.
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Cpl James R. " Jim" Gossett Jr
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Turn in!
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SFC Senior Civil Engineer/Annuitant
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I was serving as one of 3 supervisors in a very specialized section when a person was promoted to be our supervisor from a totally different area who hadn’t worked in our area for over 20 years, in other words he didn’t know squat. He was probably promoted to get his highest last 3 years in for retirement purposes. I complained to our oversight that we had no guidance from our supervisor to help us, because his management style was to keep people at one another's throats. The silence was deafening, my new supervisor made false accusations against me, and my PER went to crap; I left the section to keep my sanity. So much for being professional.
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SPC Daniel Rankin
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Go to your supervisors boss and have it reported to the CID or do it yourself. I saw this done once in Korea and it does work. The name of the person who turned the supervisor in is protected by regs against back lash.
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SMSgt David A Asbury
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Get facts, exactly what actions, witnesses are all needed before doing anything. Depending on your rank, who you will tell or remove chain of command.
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Lt Col John Culley
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Call the office of the Staff Judge Advocate, engage a private attorney or write your Congressman depending on the problem.
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SGM Robert E. Gray
SGM Robert E. Gray
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Just be careful of relationships with key reporting offices personnel with your chain of command. They will fight for chain of command first.
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Sgt Cullen Smith
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I faced corruption four times during an 8 year period in the MSANG and the Regular USAF.

1. Mississippi Air National Guard 1980 through mid 1982: I joined in April of 1980. Everything went well in Basic Training and later Tech School. My very first weekend drill after Tech School I got to the Civil Engineering Squadron, walked in and found a white Tech Sargent handing out The Klansmen Newspaper to all the white dudes. He tried to hand me one several times and I refused. Last time he offered, I told him to shove it up his ass. Every-time I walked in that place all the white guys would huddle in one corner and all the black guys in another. I would go huddle with the black guys because the white boys were making me miserable. After two months of this I was called into the Commanders office and was told to stand at attention in front of a mirror. He said, what do you see BOY? I told him, I see myself sir. He told me saw a whipped dog and a White N***** and that I had two choices, a dishonorable discharge or join the Regular Air Force. I joined the Regulars in mid 1982.

2. Was stationed in Erzurum, Turkey in 1983 thru 1984 in support of a US ARMY Division. There were only 9 Air Force people stationed there. Near the end of my duty there, the Higher-ups decided to pull all Air Force personnel out. I was to inventory all XB3 items but we were to leave those items behind. I was a Senior Airman at the time and only a NCO could inventory and sign off on the Chemical Warfare gear, which I did not know at that time. The Staff Sargent in charge of doing that got his orders to leave and the only other Sargent on site refused to do it. The Staff Sargent calls me into his office and told me that I needed to inventory and sign off on the Chemical Warfare gear, but he left out the part that only an NCO could do it. I told him sure. I would do it, so I inventory all the gear and it was there but he told me I could only have the key the day before he left. He left about two weeks later and during that time packed his hold baggage to be shipped to his next assignment. I thought nothing of it until about three days later when a team came up to check our inventories. Two complete sets of Chemical Warfare gear was missing and they "got on my ass" about it but left without saying another word about it. I got my orders to leave and flew down to Incirlik AFB where I was met getting off the plane by two Officers. They had me go with them to the AFOSI and questioned me about the Chemical Warfare gear. They made me stay in country until they could follow up on my story. Sure enough, they found the gear in the Staff Sargent's hold baggage, and I was released for my next assignment.

3. In 1984 thru 1985 I was stationed at England AFB in Louisiana. The Tech Sargent in charge was ordering large amounts of items and they would disappear from our shop. Someone else reported it and he was busted. He had been shipping items his whole time in service to a warehouse in Texas. This same guy got drunk one night while off duty and tried to get my wife and I in a threesome. A real slimball.

4. In 1988 while I was stationed in Australia, my brother had a terrible car accident and spent over 90 days in ICU, my dad was dying from Cancer, and my grandmother was dying from diabetes. I requested a hardship move to either Columbus or Keesler AFB in Mississippi and was turned down. I wrote all my Congressmen and Senators and even the White House but to no avail. At the time our site was so important to the military that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would visit yearly. I became depressed and desperate to get home so I threatened to shut the power plant down. I was immediately removed and sent to Adelaide, South Australia for a mental evaluation by a civilian doctor and from there I was sent to Hawaii for a mental evaluation by a Army Psychiatrist. I told both doctors the same thing, that I would not have shut the plant down but only said it because I was depressed and desperate. Upon my return to Woomera I was told I had to go see the Base Commander. Things got shady in his office as he explained to me that he would only give me an honorable administrative discharge if I would sign a waver giving up my rights to use the VA, which I did. I only found out years later that was illegal and that in fact I could use the VA.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I would not put up with that at all. I doubt any of my supervisors would be some secret mob boss but you never know. I would report it to someone outside of my organization.
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SFC Chuck Martinez
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Usually, military criminal cases are reported to the army CID with facts, proof, and documents. I have seen almost every rank you can think of getting caught and having to pay the price. Ft. Benning was wild, especially in basic training. and TOE units, and training units.
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